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Last post 09-24-2009 01:14 PM by MarieD. 6 replies.
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  • 09-20-2009 03:42 PM

    information on telescopes

    Hello,

    I got to speak yesterday with a gentleman who is into astronomy since quite a few years.  I told him that I am new to it and that at this time I only have a pair of binoculars (Orion) and that I was looking into getting a scope soon. 

    He told me that he had so far different scopes some too heavy to move around etc.   But he is very happy with his last purchase of a Tele Vue 85.   He says that this scope ie really great.  So I will look a bit closer into that one before I make a decision.

    Will talk about it with my Son and Wife when they get back from their long weekend to Bar Harbor (cannot recall what scope they have)

    Wondering if someone has one of the Tele Vue 85 and are also as happy as the fellow I met yesterday.

    Thanks for any reply

     

    MarieD

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  • 09-23-2009 03:04 PM In reply to

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    I have never looked through a TV scope but I have some of their eyepieces and there top notch.  Iv'e never heard anything bad about TeleVue scopes. So I guess thats why you pay big bucks for them

    Al

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  • 09-23-2009 06:10 PM In reply to

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    Thanks armchairal for your reply.  Yes I agree these scopes are quite expensive that is why I am trying to get as much user information as possible before spending that kind of money.  But I must reiterate that the gentleman who gave me that information about these Tele Vue scopes seemed extremely pleased by the product.

    Again thanks

     

    MarieD

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  • 09-23-2009 11:14 PM In reply to

    • DaveMitsky
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    Re: information on telescopes

    Marie,

    I own a 101mm Tele Vue refractor and have used a number of TV-85s over the years.  They are great, albeit expensive, richfield telescopes, capable of producing very wide fields of view with long focal length 2" eyepieces, and can also be used at fairly high magnifications, given their limited aperture.  Be aware that nowadays there are quite a few cheaper alternatives available in  the 3 to 4 inch ED refractor category. 

    Having said that, 85mm is still only 85mm.  A 6" Newtonian Dob* has an aperture of 150mm and isn't all that much more difficult to cart around than an 85mm refractor on an equatorial mount.  If, however, you were to use it on an appropriate alt-azimuth mount, the refractor would be rather easy to transport.

    So it's a matter of what you want to observe, since aperture always rules to a greater or lesser degree, especially with deep-sky objects, and how much you're willing to spend.

    A recent review of the Tele Vue 85 can be found at http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1952 and a rather old one is posted here.

    * A 150mm or smaller Maksutov-Cassegrain is another alternative.

    Dave Mitsky

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  • 09-24-2009 10:36 AM In reply to

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    MarieD:

    Thanks armchairal for your reply.  Yes I agree these scopes are quite expensive that is why I am trying to get as much user information as possible before spending that kind of money.  But I must reiterate that the gentleman who gave me that information about these Tele Vue scopes seemed extremely pleased by the product.

    Again thanks

     

    MarieD

    There are a lot of people that will seem Extremely Pleased with the telescope they are recommending. Most often this opinion is biased for one reason or another. Could be that he is promoting the telescope or that he owns one himself. Nonetheless, whatever the reason, before you spend that much money on a small yet very expensive telescope I suggest you look at the night sky through one first. Find and visit a local astronomy club, attend one of there star parties, or maybe two. Members of these astronomy clubs will be more than willing to allow you to look through their telescopes and answer any questions you might have on the spot. This will allow you to make up your own mind rather than someone who seems Extremely Pleased with one particular telescope make it up for you. You might find that no matter how superior the quality of the telescope, the aperture might not offer you what you want. Look first buy later if you can. For many people a telescope 2 or 3 times larger isn't enough. You can get a pair of binoculars to see as much for much less money.

    Did this person ask you what your observing goals are?
    Did he explain the advantages of aperture? i.e. Light grasp, resolving power and magnification limits.
    Did he ask you what kind of budget you're willing to spend?
    How about the skies over your home, are they light polluted, and are you going to have to take the telescope on the road each time you want to use it?

    Let me reiterate what was already mentioned by Dave. 85mm is only 85mm; It is a small telescope!
    It only has a maximum useful magnification of around 170x to 180x. If you want to observer the planets with any discernible amount of detail you will want to use more than 200x magnification, preferably 250x or above; a 6" Dobsonian will allow for that.
    Too many people come here disappointed when they've had their first looks at Jupiter or Saturn because it's so small and they couldn't make out details like they see in pictures, or they can't find many of the DSO's This is because the telescope they are using doesn't have the light grasp and is incapable of reaching those higher magnifications and is incapable of resolving that detail. Additionally don't judge what you should see through a telescope by what you see in pictures, It's not going to happen.
    If you want to observe faint little galaxies and nebulae then you will want larger aperture, not just for the ability to use more magnification but for the increased light grasp and resolving power.
    If your skies are light polluted and you can't take the telescope on the road to find a darker site for whatever reason you will again need more aperture. Aperture won't increase the effects of light pollution, but light pollution will reduce the limiting visual magnitude of any telescope, therefore larger aperture is a benefit.

    The first money you should spend on this hobby should be spent at the book store. Get a copy of Night Watch by Terence Dickinson. Get a pair of Binoculars,(12 or 16x50's) and sit back in your favorite lawn chair on a clear night and scan the sky. Visit a Astronomy Club!

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  • 09-24-2009 10:46 AM In reply to

    • jodoak
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    Re: information on telescopes

    Well said Tim.

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  • 09-24-2009 01:14 PM In reply to

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    Thank you so much Dave and Tim for all that information.  The talk I had with that gentleman was rather brief so we did not speak about aperture etc....

    I do belong to actually two amateur astronomer clubs but do not go to the meetings at this time (did so last year).  I live alone and I do not like to drive far at night.  One club is in Cambridge/Boston and the other one is in North Scituate Rhode Island.  I used to go to the meetings with my Son and Wife.  But he had to put astronomy on the back burner for right now as he is in his final year of a PhD program through his work. 

    Sor for the time being no time to spend at the astronomy clubs.  I do appreciate that you took the time to tell me what you think of the Tele Vue 85 because a lot of money will be involved in the purchase which I will eventually make.  At the moment I cannot recall what scope my Son and Wife have.  I live about 30 minutes by car from their house.

    At this time, I use the binoculars my Kids gave me last Christmas and observe the sky from my backyard, I also do a lot of reading as I would like to grasp some of the principles of quantum mechanics.  I am a retired Software Engineer, but math was never my thing. 

    Please pay no attention to my English, it is my fourth language. Was educated in Western Europe but live in the USA since over 40 years.

    Again thanks for your information

    MarieD 

     

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