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  • 02-24-2006 03:56 PM In reply to

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    Deja vu could also be caused by an experience being similar to something you dreamed in the past.

    Or we could be tapping into some energy field that allows us to see just ahead in the future. 

    Timothy Leary once made a statement about the human brain being a filter.  That it has access to all knowledge in the Universe but that it can't handle that much data so the brain filters only the information we need.  He said that when he took LSD it was like the filter opened wider and all this chaotic information came flooding in. 

    In another thread we were talking about time having no beginning and no end.  If that were true I proposed that maybe time is in an endless loop.  Going around and around and repeating every so often (billions of years).  Maybe we have been through this millions of times.  We would never have any way of knowing. 

    Sometimes when I've experienced deja vu, there was also a simultaneous feeling of vertigo.  Anyone else have that?  Maybe that's a clue that it is a misinterpretation by the brain.

     

     

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  • 02-24-2006 04:42 PM In reply to

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     jsmoody wrote:

    Deja vu could also be caused by an experience being similar to something you dreamed in the past.

    Or we could be tapping into some energy field that allows us to see just ahead in the future. 

    Timothy Leary once made a statement about the human brain being a filter.  That it has access to all knowledge in the Universe but that it can't handle that much data so the brain filters only the information we need.  He said that when he took LSD it was like the filter opened wider and all this chaotic information came flooding in. 

    In another thread we were talking about time having no beginning and no end.  If that were true I proposed that maybe time is in an endless loop.  Going around and around and repeating every so often (billions of years).  Maybe we have been through this millions of times.  We would never have any way of knowing. 

    Sometimes when I've experienced deja vu, there was also a simultaneous feeling of vertigo.  Anyone else have that?  Maybe that's a clue that it is a misinterpretation by the brain.

     

     




    The endless loop of time could possible work in with what I described of the Big Bang and Big Crunch recurring over and over again. However then, that would be another dimension of time itself. 
    If time were an endless loop within our universe, then what about time between each bang and crunch event. Time would still continue never ending with these events occuring at different points in linear time.

    I have never noticed virtigo when experiencing deja vu. The only time I have experienced that was at about 100 feet beneath the surface of the open ocean in the middle of the night.

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  • 02-24-2006 10:08 PM In reply to

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    Who ever said time had to repeat? If it truly is it's own dimension, I wouldn't think the the Big Crunch would effect it at all (strictly as of my opinion). My question to Tkerr would be if all possible dimensions will "vanish" as a result of the Crunch?

    I like to believe that time has many dimensions within it, each having a different time scale. I think time is infinite period. There is no definite start or end like a geometric line. Another interesting idea is if dimensions use what we call "energy". Perhaps they are energy independent and rely on some other source.

    Once again, I will repeat what I said before. The idea proposed by Sandycane in this forum is a good one. But I do have evidence to counter that, and therefore it's not valid.

    One event that I will never forget is the evening that I saw my grandmother dying before it happened. Turned out, she died of a heart attack at the very second. There are many different levels/types and forms of this phenomenon. I don't think such an event like the one mentioned above is caused by a "hik-up" in the brain. I have had experiences when I knew exactly word by word what someone was going to say. Another event, was during a mid-term exam in Biology in Freshman year. I had no idea what the test was on, hadn't studied at all, but when that test was placed in front of me, it felt like I had already taken it before. Turned out I aced that test with a 100%!!

    Using my test example above, I don't believe Tkerr's idea is fully valid either. Tkerr stated that everything might be repeated over and over again and nothing will change. If that was the case, wouldn't I have failed the test if I had already taken it?

    Somethings to think about...

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  • 02-25-2006 12:05 AM In reply to

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    I don't think my idea is valid either, I am only throwing it out there for discussion. Just simple ideas is all they are.

    About your question; if all possible dimensions will "vanish" as a result of the Crunch?

    Good question, However I do not believe so. Only the physical properties or physical state anything was in prior to it will, I don't believe anything would really totally vanish.
    For instance it is said that energy never dies, Everything is made of energy. When we die our energy is absorbed back into the earth to continue on elsewhere.(recycling) If there was a big crunch then the energy from all the matter, galaxies, stars, planets etc would continue on, just not is the same state it was prior to the crunch. 

    Time is a nonspatial continuum where events take place. These events are irreversable along the time line from the past through the present to the future. Time is as we actually perceive it, a measurement seperating two points on the continuum. A record of when events took place, the year, month, and time of day etc..
    Now this is linear time as we currently know and understand it.

    You also say that you like to believe time has many dimensions. It could be possible that there are multiple dimensions of time,  or in time.  So wouldn't looped time be one of those dimensions while others are still linear. And yet others could also branch off changing directions, Looping and intersecting others.
    Like a tree more branches of time = more dimensions of time. Or like a road map through the universe in a dimension of time.
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    Using my test example above, I don't believe Tkerr's idea is fully valid either. Tkerr stated that everything might be repeated over and over again and nothing will change. If that was the case, wouldn't I have failed the test if I had already taken it?

    Yes, Exactly,
    Remember Time is a nonspatial continuum of events that take place. And that these events are irreversable. Now that does not necessarily mean they are non-repeatable. Like a stop watch; You strat it, when finished you stop the time and re-set it to start over from the beginning for the next run.

    If the repeating event situation I describe were possible we could have relived this life any number of times and we wouldn't know it. Because each time there is a new beginning, the slate is wiped clean and we start from the same point all over again. Why?  I don't know,  I would only guess that as humans are brains are incapable of interpreting or accessing memories of past lives. Every part of us has gone through a re-birth, a new beginning headed towards a new ending as we currently see it.  We only live in the here and now.

    We only utilize a small percentage of our brains for memory storage. Some of which are conscious while other memories are stored subconsciosly. The subconscious mind is much greater than and even more powerfull than the conscious mind.  There is very little conscious ability to access memories or powers of the subconscious mind. Sometimes it takes some kind of triggering event to accesss those memories. Most often accessed via a dream / unconscious state or sometimes a hypnotic state. Other times something else could trigger access to those memories stored in the subconcious mind and we then have Deja Vu.


    Here is another added twist to this theory:
    Lets change the laws of time slightly and say that it is possible to change or reverse events along the time line, only if the time line is repeatable though.
    If we have repeatedly lived this life over and over because of repetative Big Bangs and Big Crunches, each time could actually be slightly different. Each time could be a new beginning, aother chance to try again and improve on the last. So then if that were the case we may not have lived the same events exactly as we did in a past life, still very similar however.
    We could have done the same thing, only approached it differently and still achieved the same results. I could then be possible Deja Vu is a way of our subconscious mind telling us to think about what we are doing, giving us a chance to change something from the last time around..
    Again, if this were possible you may have already taken this test and failed it. Life is giving you another chance to try something else, take another approach,  to change, to resolve and to pass.
    Then what effect would a minor change have on the end result of this life time, and how would it effect the next and so on?

    Now this is all only hypothetical but could still be possible. After all Anything is possible.

    Time goes round and round and round, and here we go again. Smile [:)]

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  • 02-25-2006 04:38 PM In reply to

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     tkerr wrote:


    Here is another added twist to this theory:
    Lets change the laws of time slightly and say that it is possible to change or reverse events along the time line, only if the time line is repeatable though.
    If we have repeatedly lived this life over and over because of repetative Big Bangs and Big Crunches, each time could actually be slightly different. Each time could be a new beginning, aother chance to try again and improve on the last. So then if that were the case we may not have lived the same events exactly as we did in a past life, still very similar however.
    We could have done the same thing, only approached it differently and still achieved the same results. I could then be possible Deja Vu is a way of our subconscious mind telling us to think about what we are doing, giving us a chance to change something from the last time around..
    Again, if this were possible you may have already taken this test and failed it. Life is giving you another chance to try something else, take another approach,  to change, to resolve and to pass.
    Then what effect would a minor change have on the end result of this life time, and how would it effect the next and so on?

    Now this is all only hypothetical but could still be possible. After all Anything is possible.

    Time goes round and round and round, and here we go again. Smile [:)]

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    From my viewpoint, it sounds like you're talking about inteligent design in some form or the other, wouldn't you agree? Is it possible that our brains could have brains in other dimensions? Or that every dimension has its own universe and physical properties? I hate to say this, but if your idea is correct, inteligent design would then be valid...

    Just another thing to put out there for discussion... Consider the following analogy:

    Our brain: a computer:: dimension: a network/server

    what do you think?

    David

  • 02-25-2006 07:55 PM In reply to

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    From my viewpoint, it sounds like you're talking about inteligent design in some form or the other, wouldn't you agree?

    I don't really see that as Intelligent Design. ID is the furthest thing from my mind. ID is the theory that there was some kind of intelligence already in place which designed all complex biological structures and other things in nature, rather than evolution and natural selection  That would indicate there was or has always been an intelligence prior to the beginning in order to design, manipulate or create everthing as we know it, A supposed intelligent cause for everthing that evolves or developes. That is not what I am discussing at all. At-least I don't think so. I don't see an intelligent cause in what I am discussing. There would have had to be an manipulative intelligence prior to the initial big bag event. Other than that I am talking about is more like part of  molecular mechanics when I discuss particles attracting(bonding) or repelling each other to form what we are now,  beyond that,  Nature of what already has been, is or will be. The natural process and interactions of matter and evolution. An evolutionary process and selection repeating itself. (sort of a cyclic evolution process). Or the whole repeating  of everthing could be a form of evolution in itself.
    What is evolution other than to adapt and change. All organisims that have evolved retain some memory of their origins. With each change there is still memory of the last.
    Deja Vu. The feeling or sense you have been there, done that. So now you step back and take a little time to think about what you are doing. Then you decide to try approaching it in a certain way. Was it the same way as last time or not? You don't know. But this decission could change the outcome of this cycle. Then the next time around there is still memory from the last.
    The only intelligence involved in this is that of the human subconscious mind.  Every thing else is the cause and effect of the natural laws as we currently understand them.

    Is it possible that our brains could have brains in other dimensions?

    I really couldn't say, However it could be that there is a link from our brain in our physical dimension to a brain in another dimension.

    Or that every dimension has its own universe and physical properties?

    That could be possible. That would be in tune with the Multiverse theory then wouldn't it.  One universe could be a exact copy of another, Or one could be a Mirror of another.

    Just another thing to put out there for discussion... Consider the following analogy:
    Our brain: a computer:: dimension: a network/server
    what do you think?

    A couple things come to mind. Other than the Matrix that is.Smile [:)]
    Scarry Shock [:O]
    Virus's, Crashes, Corrupted, lost or destroyed data.
    Dain Bramage Confused [%-)]
    Basically that is what our brain is when you are discussing memories and data storage. Even control and operation of body functions and movements. Methodology and principles of operation are a little different though.

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  • 02-25-2006 08:17 PM In reply to

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    tkerr,

    sorry for the misinterpertation of your recent post. Your ideas have helped the group a lot in understanding some of these topics.

     

  • 02-25-2006 10:19 PM In reply to

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     Cosmo-David wrote:

    tkerr,

    sorry for the misinterpertation of your recent post. Your ideas have helped the group a lot in understanding some of these topics.

     



    Not a problem. I am only throwing out ideas and enjoying this discussion. It seems as though other participants have backed out however..

    If anything else pops into my head I will post it to see what you think..
    This discussion could get real deep and go into many directions and into any number of theories.

    What have we covered so far.
    A brain hic-up
    A reflex or triggered action/memory caused by memories of similar experiences.
    A reflex or triggered action/memory caused by past deams we have had.
    Multiple Dimensions in space, Multiple dimensions in time or Multiple universes that we are somehow conect to in our subconscious minds..
    Repeating BB and BC events and we have been repeatedly living the same experiences over and over again.
    The MatrixSmile [:)]

    I am sure there are more or could be more. I fresh out of ideas.
    Although, there is the one that no one has mentioned. That is Deja Vu is just another part of human emotions. Nothing more than a simple feeling..

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  • 02-25-2006 10:42 PM In reply to

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    This is my thought on all of this.

    The human mind in its own right is almost as mysterious to use as is the universe.  Until we actualy have a  better grasp on the deeper workings of our minds I think it is a bit of leap when trying to connect the two in a way that is even more mysterious.  but I guess that is what makes this kind of disscusion so fun.

    I have decided that I really don't take a side on this theory because if I keep a closed mind I wont equaly consider all of the sides.    

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  • 02-25-2006 10:55 PM In reply to

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    Well, I think jsmoody's account of accompanying vertigo lends some support to the brain hiccup theory.   A simple chemical imbalance is what we're talking about here.  For instance, Deja Vu may be nothing more than your common household bi-polar disorder.  Am I implying that jsmoody is well (..how should I phrase this in polite company?) uhmmmm, ..WACKO!? Tongue [:P] Nah - He's probably plain old normal like the rest of us.

    For what it's worth, I've noticed that as I get older, I have less and less Deja Vu experiences.  I can't recall having had one in the last few years, and I remember having them all the time as a kid. Does this mean I'm getting saner?  I should hope not! I'm still crazy after all these years Evil [}:)]-  but more chemically balanced. Wink [;)]

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  • 02-25-2006 10:57 PM In reply to

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     fisherman wrote:

    This is my thought on all of this.

    The human mind in its own right is almost as mysterious to use as is the universe.  Until we actualy have a  better grasp on the deeper workings of our minds I think it is a bit of leap when trying to connect the two in a way that is even more mysterious.  but I guess that is what makes this kind of disscusion so fun.

    I have decided that I really don't take a side on this theory because if I keep a closed mind I wont equaly consider all of the sides.    

    Josh



    Exactly, The human mind is not only mysterious but highly complex to the point we don't even know or understand how to utilize it to its full potential. We only use such a small percentage of it to properly function in everyday life and to store everything we learn, all our experiences, all our memories throughout life.. (Consciously anyways). who is to say what we could do if we could access and utilize the greater portions that we currently are unable to. For all we know the key to unlocking all the answers to the universe are locked away deep down somewhere inside our brains. Maybe there is a physiological reason we are incapable of accessing those areas.  Maybe it is a psychological reason we are unable to. Who knows, Maybe Timothy Leary was onto something. But I am not going to be the one to experiment with that idea.

     Heck, I dunno I am dain bramaged from one too many hard knocks on the head. Black Eye [B)]

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  • 02-25-2006 11:17 PM In reply to

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     leightwing wrote:

    Well, I think jsmoody's account of accompanying vertigo lends some support to the brain hiccup theory.   A simple chemical imbalance is what we're talking about here.  For instance, Deja Vu may be nothing more than your common household bi-polar disorder.  Am I implying that jsmoody is well (..how should I phrase this in polite company?) uhmmmm, ..WACKO!? Tongue [:P] Nah - He's probably plain old normal like the rest of us.

    For what it's worth, I've noticed that as I get older, I have less and less Deja Vu experiences.  I can't recall having had one in the last few years, and I remember having them all the time as a kid. Does this mean I'm getting saner?  I should hope not! I'm still crazy after all these years Evil [}:)]-  but more chemically balanced. Wink [;)]



    I have also noticed less Deja Vu experiences as I get older. That could simply be because our brain functions are not as clear as they were when we were younger.  If Deja Vu is a function of memory it's no wander why I don't have them as often with age. I can't even remember what I did yesterday.Blush [:I]

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  • 02-26-2006 08:03 AM In reply to

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    I've also noticed I have deja vu much less now that I'm older (just turned 59).  In fact, I can't remember the last time it happened.  I can barely remember what happened yesterday though so I guess that doesn't mean much.  Uh......what were we talking about here?   Big Smile [:D]

     

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  • 02-26-2006 01:28 PM In reply to

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    I want to back this up a little to something Sandy had mentioned in one of here replies to me.

    about your recycled universal energy and reliving the same experiences repeatedly...if  the energy gets all jumbled up, we would not only be reliving portions of our previous life but of billions of other people (and animals and insects and plants, etc...


    Even though I discounted this in my little theory, it could still be a good possibility in a similar theory.
    Could Deja Vu be that of a memory of something someone else had done?  Now that is a question to think about for a while. Also if you think about it, that could be the reason for what we assume are psychologicol disorders in some people. i.e. Multiple personality disorders,  schizophrenia. People with these so called disorders have abilities to accessed parts of the brain and those deeply stored memories the average person is unable to. The problem is they have yet to learn how to filter and clearly decipher all that information that is fragmented or encrypted.
    Deju Vu is only a small memory leak that we all experience but can handle, However we all are not yet able to clearly decipher.

    Maybe psychiatrists and psychologists should also be astrophysicists.

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  • 02-26-2006 03:05 PM In reply to

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    Here is a little something else I found which you may find interesting about Deja Vu.

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    Types of déjà vu

    According to Arthur Funkhouser, Ph.D., there are three types of déjà vu:

    Déjà vécu

    Usually translated 'already experienced' or 'already lived through,' déjà vecu is described in a quotation from David Copperfield by Charles Dickens:

    We have all some experience of a feeling, that comes over us occasionally, of what we are saying and doing having been said and done before, in a remote time - of our having been surrounded, dim ages ago, by the same faces, objects, and circumstances - of our knowing perfectly what will be said next, as if we suddenly remember it![1]

    When most people speak of déjà vu, they are actually experiencing déjà vécu. Surveys have revealed that about one third of the population have had these experiences, more often (and perhaps more intense) in people between the ages of 15 and 25. The experience is usually related to a very banal event, but is so striking that it is remembered for years afterwards.

    Déjà vécu refers to an experience involving more than just sight, which is why labeling such "déjà vu" is usually inaccurate. The sense involves a great amount of detail, sensing that everything is just as it was before. Because of this, theories that the situation was just read about earlier or experienced in a previous life are invalid, as those experiences could not recreate the exact situation due to a lack of sense involvement or the presence of modern surroundings.

    Déjà senti

    Dr. John Hughlings Jackson recorded the words of one of his patients who suffered from temporal lobe or psychomotor epilepsy in an 1889 paper:

    What is occupying the attention is what has occupied it before, and indeed has been familiar, but has been for a time forgotten, and now is recovered with a slight sense of satisfaction as if it had been sought for. ... At the same time, or ... more accurately in immediate sequence, I am dimly aware that the recollection is fictitious and my state abnormal. The recollection is always started by another person's voice, or by my own verbalized thought, or by what I am reading and mentally verbalize; and I think that during the abnormal state I generally verbalize some such phrase of simple recognition as 'Oh yes - I see', 'Of course - I remember', &c., but a minute or two later I can recollect neither the words nor the verbalized thought which gave rise to the recollection. I only find strongly that they resemble what I have felt before under similar abnormal conditions.

    This phenomenon specifies something 'already felt.' Unlike the implied precognition of déjà vécu, déjà senti is primarily or even exclusively a mental happening, has no precognitive aspects, and seldom or never remains in the afflicted person's memory afterwards.

    As with Dr. Jackson's patient, some temporal-lobe epileptics may experience this phenomenon.

    Déjà visite

    This experience is less common and involves an uncanny knowledge of a new place. Here one may know his or her way around in a new town or landscape while at the same time knowing that this should not be possible.

    Dreams, reincarnation and also out-of-the-body travel have been evoked to explain this phenomenon. Additionally, some suggest that reading a detailed account of a place can result in this feeling when the local is later visited. Two famous examples of such a situation were described by Nathaniel Hawthorne in his book Our Old Home and Sir Walter Scott in Guy Mannering. Hawthorne recognized the ruins of a castle in England and later was able to trace it to a piece written two hundred years earlier by Alexander Pope about it.

    C. G. Jung published an account of déjà visite in his 1966 paper On synchronicity.

    In order to distinguish déjà visite from déjà vécu, it important to identify the source of the feeling. Déjà vécu is in reference to the temporal occurrences and processes, while déjà visite has more to do with geography and spatial dimensions.

    Scientific research

    In recent years, déjà vu has been subjected to serious psychological and neurophysiological research. The most likely candidate for explanation, according to scientists in these fields, is that déjà vu is not an act of "precognition" or "prophecy" but is actually an anomaly of memory; it is the impression that an experience is "being recalled" which is false. This is substantiated to an extent by the fact that in most cases the sense of "recollection" at the time is strong, but any circumstances of the "previous" experience (when, where and how the earlier experience occurred) are quite uncertain. Likewise, as time passes, subjects can exhibit a strong recollection of having the "unsettling" experience of déjà vu itself, but little to no recollection of the specifics of the event(s) or circumstances they were "remembering" when they had the déjà vu experience, and in particular, this may result from an overlap between the neurological systems responsible for short-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the present) and those responsible for long-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the past). Neurophysiological specialist Stephanie Warn (based out of San Francisco) has dedicated research on the subject matter. Her current conclusion is that déjà vu is merely the brain pulsing at an exponential rate which causes a person to recall something he or she saw the moment before.

    Links with disorders

    A clinical correlation has been found between the experience of déjà vu and disorders such as schizophrenia and anxiety, and the likelihood of the experience increases considerably with subjects having these conditions. However, the strongest pathological association of déjà vu is with temporal lobe epilepsy. This correlation has led some researchers to speculate that the experience of déjà vu is possibly a neurological anomaly related to improper electrical discharge in the brain. As most people suffer a mild (ie. non-pathological) epileptic episode regularly (eg. the sudden "jolt", a hypnagogic jerk, that frequently occurs just prior to falling asleep), it is conjectured that a similar (mild) neurological aberration occurs in the experience of déjà vu, resulting in an erroneous "memory".

    Parapsychology

    Déjà vu is associated with precognition, clairvoyance or extra-sensory perceptions, and it is frequently cited as evidence for "psychic" abilities in the general population. Non-scientific explanations attribute the experience to prophecy, visions (such as received in dreams) or past-life memories.

    Dreams

    Some believe déjà vu is the memory of dreams. The reasoning goes like this: though the majority of dreams are never remembered, a dreaming person can display activity in the areas of the brain that process long-term memory. Perhaps a dream can read directly into long-term memory, bypassing short-term memory entirely. In this case, déjà vu might be a memory of a forgotten dream with elements in common with the current "awake" experience.

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  • 02-27-2006 09:20 PM In reply to

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    You know... To be honest, I analyzed deja vue alot when I used to get it often. Once I realized it was probably just some wires being crossed in my brain causing the release of hormones at the wrong moment, but that is perhaps due to some classical conditioning... It seriously slowed down, but that also coincided with ending my use of drugs.

     

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  • 02-27-2006 10:55 PM In reply to

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     tkerr wrote:
    Here is a little something else I found which you may find interesting about Deja Vu.

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    Types of déjà vu

    According to Arthur Funkhouser, Ph.D., there are three types of déjà vu:

    Déjà vécu

    Usually translated 'already experienced' or 'already lived through,' déjà vecu is described in a quotation from David Copperfield by Charles Dickens:

    We have all some experience of a feeling, that comes over us occasionally, of what we are saying and doing having been said and done before, in a remote time - of our having been surrounded, dim ages ago, by the same faces, objects, and circumstances - of our knowing perfectly what will be said next, as if we suddenly remember it![1]

    When most people speak of déjà vu, they are actually experiencing déjà vécu. Surveys have revealed that about one third of the population have had these experiences, more often (and perhaps more intense) in people between the ages of 15 and 25. The experience is usually related to a very banal event, but is so striking that it is remembered for years afterwards.

    Déjà vécu refers to an experience involving more than just sight, which is why labeling such "déjà vu" is usually inaccurate. The sense involves a great amount of detail, sensing that everything is just as it was before. Because of this, theories that the situation was just read about earlier or experienced in a previous life are invalid, as those experiences could not recreate the exact situation due to a lack of sense involvement or the presence of modern surroundings.

    Déjà senti

    Dr. John Hughlings Jackson recorded the words of one of his patients who suffered from temporal lobe or psychomotor epilepsy in an 1889 paper:

    What is occupying the attention is what has occupied it before, and indeed has been familiar, but has been for a time forgotten, and now is recovered with a slight sense of satisfaction as if it had been sought for. ... At the same time, or ... more accurately in immediate sequence, I am dimly aware that the recollection is fictitious and my state abnormal. The recollection is always started by another person's voice, or by my own verbalized thought, or by what I am reading and mentally verbalize; and I think that during the abnormal state I generally verbalize some such phrase of simple recognition as 'Oh yes - I see', 'Of course - I remember', &c., but a minute or two later I can recollect neither the words nor the verbalized thought which gave rise to the recollection. I only find strongly that they resemble what I have felt before under similar abnormal conditions.

    This phenomenon specifies something 'already felt.' Unlike the implied precognition of déjà vécu, déjà senti is primarily or even exclusively a mental happening, has no precognitive aspects, and seldom or never remains in the afflicted person's memory afterwards.

    As with Dr. Jackson's patient, some temporal-lobe epileptics may experience this phenomenon.

    Déjà visite

    This experience is less common and involves an uncanny knowledge of a new place. Here one may know his or her way around in a new town or landscape while at the same time knowing that this should not be possible.

    Dreams, reincarnation and also out-of-the-body travel have been evoked to explain this phenomenon. Additionally, some suggest that reading a detailed account of a place can result in this feeling when the local is later visited. Two famous examples of such a situation were described by Nathaniel Hawthorne in his book Our Old Home and Sir Walter Scott in Guy Mannering. Hawthorne recognized the ruins of a castle in England and later was able to trace it to a piece written two hundred years earlier by Alexander Pope about it.

    C. G. Jung published an account of déjà visite in his 1966 paper On synchronicity.

    In order to distinguish déjà visite from déjà vécu, it important to identify the source of the feeling. Déjà vécu is in reference to the temporal occurrences and processes, while déjà visite has more to do with geography and spatial dimensions.

    Scientific research

    In recent years, déjà vu has been subjected to serious psychological and neurophysiological research. The most likely candidate for explanation, according to scientists in these fields, is that déjà vu is not an act of "precognition" or "prophecy" but is actually an anomaly of memory; it is the impression that an experience is "being recalled" which is false. This is substantiated to an extent by the fact that in most cases the sense of "recollection" at the time is strong, but any circumstances of the "previous" experience (when, where and how the earlier experience occurred) are quite uncertain. Likewise, as time passes, subjects can exhibit a strong recollection of having the "unsettling" experience of déjà vu itself, but little to no recollection of the specifics of the event(s) or circumstances they were "remembering" when they had the déjà vu experience, and in particular, this may result from an overlap between the neurological systems responsible for short-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the present) and those responsible for long-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the past). Neurophysiological specialist Stephanie Warn (based out of San Francisco) has dedicated research on the subject matter. Her current conclusion is that déjà vu is merely the brain pulsing at an exponential rate which causes a person to recall something he or she saw the moment before.

    Links with disorders

    A clinical correlation has been found between the experience of déjà vu and disorders such as schizophrenia and anxiety, and the likelihood of the experience increases considerably with subjects having these conditions. However, the strongest pathological association of déjà vu is with temporal lobe epilepsy. This correlation has led some researchers to speculate that the experience of déjà vu is possibly a neurological anomaly related to improper electrical discharge in the brain. As most people suffer a mild (ie. non-pathological) epileptic episode regularly (eg. the sudden "jolt", a hypnagogic jerk, that frequently occurs just prior to falling asleep), it is conjectured that a similar (mild) neurological aberration occurs in the experience of déjà vu, resulting in an erroneous "memory".

    Parapsychology

    Déjà vu is associated with precognition, clairvoyance or extra-sensory perceptions, and it is frequently cited as evidence for "psychic" abilities in the general population. Non-scientific explanations attribute the experience to prophecy, visions (such as received in dreams) or past-life memories.

    Dreams

    Some believe déjà vu is the memory of dreams. The reasoning goes like this: though the majority of dreams are never remembered, a dreaming person can display activity in the areas of the brain that process long-term memory. Perhaps a dream can read directly into long-term memory, bypassing short-term memory entirely. In this case, déjà vu might be a memory of a forgotten dream with elements in common with the current "awake" experience.

    source: answers.com

    If you like to read here is some more.
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    Holonomic brain theory

    Enjoy.

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    Thanks for the great post tkerr. Sorry for not being active in this forum for the past few days. Ok, lets make a goal for this discussion:

    As we all know, there could be numerous theories that can explain Deja vu, but lets make our goal to come up with the BEST possible one. First lets start out with a broad range of ideas as before and then we will slowly narrow them down.

    LETS START!!!

    I do believe that these experiences are somehow linked to age. I had these kinds of things happening before, but I have so much more of them now in my teenage years. The ages of 15-21 is where most people have deja vu. Why is this so?

  • 02-28-2006 01:03 PM In reply to

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    I too believe it has a lot to do with age.  Don't know about the  hormonal function in that though. Hormones can cause specific thoughts or other effects on the mind and body. Evil [}:)] 
    I think when you are younger your brain is more open to suggestion and able to learn, absorb and store more memories. After a certain age that function progressively slows so there is less and less memory recall / Deja Vu. 
    I also believe that dreams do have a lot to do with it..  However, we can go off into a whole new direction discussing dreams and their causes which are numerous.
    Are they wishfull thinking, active imagination, prophetic visions, events of the past, past lives or even of something you may have done in another dimension ???????
    Could dreams themselves be a form of Deja Vu.

    I have presented any idea I could think of. I'm fresh out at this time..
    Unless somebody else can think of something else, Or unless there is someone wants to expatiate further on what has already been presented in this discussion. If not then I don't see this thread lasting much more than it has already.

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  • 02-28-2006 03:15 PM In reply to

    Re: Deja Vu Theory

     tkerr wrote:
    I too believe it has a lot to do with age.  Don't know about the  hormonal function in that though. Hormones can cause specific thoughts or other effects on the mind and body. Evil [}:)] 
    I think when you are younger your brain is more open to suggestion and able to learn, absorb and store more memories. After a certain age that function progressively slows so there is less and less memory recall / Deja Vu. 
    I also believe that dreams do have a lot to do with it..  However, we can go off into a whole new direction discussing dreams and their causes which are numerous.
    Are they wishfull thinking, active imagination, prophetic visions, events of the past, past lives or even of something you may have done in another dimension ???????
    Could dreams themselves be a form of Deja Vu.

    I have presented any idea I could think of. I'm fresh out at this time..
    Unless somebody else can think of something else, Or unless there is someone wants to expatiate further on what has already been presented in this discussion. If not then I don't see this thread lasting much more than it has already.

    Have A Nice __________


    Hrmm, I 100% agree that it happens more in the teenage years. It's happened less and less since I was 18 or so, but during my early teen years it was constant. There's some research I heard about recently that the teenage brain literally scans the same as a 'crazy' persons. The teenage mind is constantly undergoing rewiring, but as adults we are more set in our ways.

    All that information flooding into the brain on a constant basis...

    The process of neurons firing and becoming 'used' to certain functions... As a teenager more and more of these functions are being newly opened, and newly joined to one another. Maybe this feeling is a transition. A neuron moves towards a neuron that is linked to more common activities.

    The movie (or book) "What the bleep do we know" illlustrates this much better than I can. These neurons fire and they fire together. Say, the world apple fires multiple neurons at once. Red, maybe green too, the memory of taste, maybe thoughts of a tree or an apple pie. These things being fired all at once for the first time could trigger something within our minds...?

    Chew on that...tell me how it tastes?
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  • 02-28-2006 03:18 PM In reply to

    Re: Deja Vu Theory

    There is one more variable in these conversations... What about drug use? It may have increased my feelings of deja vu. There is a probable positive correlation between my drug usage and feelings of deja vu. Meaning I felt it less after I quit using. Though, it didn't stop. I feel it maybe 2-4 times a year now at 22. As a teen I'd feel it maybe that many times a month, and maybe even more than that.
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