Something that couple of friends and I have been working on is a theory on Deja Vu. The group is stuck at a dead end, and we need all the help we can possibly get. We would like to recieve lots of feedback on this matter if possible and let me thank you all in advance.

Lets start off with a little background on the matter. A couple of friends and I were sitting at the lunch table at school ( 11th grade) when the topic first came up. We realized that we all had something really big in common... we all frequently have Deja Vu experiences. So we decided to do some testing at my father's lab. We were able to gain access to brain monitors and used them as we slept to monitor brain activity. Many repeated trails were done, since it was quiet unlikely that a person would have deja vu every night. Lukily, we did get at least 10 desired trails. The wierd thing was that brain activity was normal, which ofcourse went against our hypothesis. This later forced us to do things differently and rather talk about the actual experiences...

After consulting with many physcologists, we consulted with each other about our own experiences. We all came to an agreement that these experiences were more like memory flashbacks rather than something you dream about and later having it happen. Then the theory of parallel universes came up, but that didn't quiet fit in. This is what we came up with:

 

I will do my best to try to simplify it as short as possible, so bear with me. Deja vu is a memory flashback of something that has already happened. Lets say you, sitting by your computer right now, reading this post, were occupying  two or more spaces at the same time. According to Albert Einstein, it's possible to occupy two spaces at the same time, but in different dimensions. Our theory is based upon this idea. We suggest that there are other dimensions that we can't percieve, in which we occupy space in. Basically, I am one person in this dimension and I am the same person in another dimension(s). Our idea is that these dimensions have different time scales. So, the next time you have deja vu of something you're almost certain of doing, perhaps you really did do it, hear it, seen it, etc., but in a different dimension.

We are no where near completing this theory, there are many questions that are still unanswered, and hopefully you all could help.

We are having a hard time understanding how the memory of the person in one dimension would leave that dimension and enter another one into the brain of the same person in this dimension. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Dave A., Joseph R., Kyle S., Josh C., James C.

Your hypothesis makes sense but if I remember right according to Einsteins theory the dimensions cannot interact.  Therefore a persons recolections of memorys could not interact with occurences in another dimension.

Now keep in mind that there is a good chance I am completely wrong and I am indeed just making a fool of myself.  This idea  that dimensions cannot interact is just something I remember hearing so it is possible that this information lacks integrity.

This is however a very interesting topic aand I will follow this forum.

happy star gazing!!!

Josh  

 

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I think there is definitely something to it.  I've had some profound experiences, actually knowing what someone was going to say, word for word before they said it.  Having the phone ring and knowing immediatly and being absolutely certain who it was even though it had been over 10 years since I last spoke to that person.  (And yes, that was long before caller id!)

For a more prosaic explanation of déjà vu, see http://www.sciammind.com/article.cfm?articleID=0007D66E-45CF-123A-822283414B7F4945

Dave Mitsky

 

I've found alot of things of this nature too. There is something else I find very intriging about it as well... Tell me if anyone else has noticed this... Most of the people I've had discussions with that talk about prophetic, or paranormal phenomenon tend to be very intelligent people, or at least people with very open minds. Those that often never see it, are those who close their minds to it and immediately tell others, and assumably themselves that it doesn't exist.

That leads me to wonder about the interaction of electromagnetic radiation... Everything emits energy, (except for the theoretical temperature of 0 K)

I don't know what I feel on Deja Vu... There was a long time for my life I got it, then one day it just stopped. For almost a year... It was during a time where I denied anything paranormal because I had quit doing any mind altering substances (besides a weekly indulgance of beer) so I was afraid it was because of that. Though now that I'm once again opening my mind up to ESP and other forms of paranormal activity I have begun having feelings of deja vu again. However, not nearly at the frequency I used to. I had 3 or 4 for the two weeks following the discovery that I had not had one for almost a year and then they stopped again. It's really difficult to delve into these ideas since it is a psychological activity that may or may not be triggered by thought...

If you think you're going to have one, you might end up having a fake one... Kind of like those periodic stomach pains I used to get in the morning to get myself out of going to school when I younger.

I like the idea of parallel dimensions however I have looked at it in a different light...

That we already exist in these dimensions and they are uncrossable..
That each moment in time is a different dimension and they are put together by this imaginary device we call time. Measured and analyzed by us as time as the base comparison. In any case, we are only where we are right now due to a sequence of events and logic, I've heard of psychological texts that say we can blind ourselves to something right before our eyes.

Take a hour or two to watch the film , "what the bleep do we know" it's really quite interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about the message in water, or what it states on psychology (the indians not seeing the boats until the shaman told them they were there...i see it as more likely they all had horrible eye-sight from being so malnurished after the original visitors came)

My post is too long, so I'm going to end it here.. THank you

Kyle

What "If" Deju Vu was truly experiences we lived at-least once before in a past life. There could be something to those beliefs of reincarnation. However I am thinking at a much larger scale than a person dying and being reborn, and it has nothing to do with multiple dimensions or parallel universes. Just the same dimension in a single Universe
Lets refer back to the Big bang. It is theorized that eventually the big bang is going to reach its limits of expansion then collapse back in on itself. The Big Crunch.. It has also theorized that there have been multiple big bangs. If that is so then there has been multiple big crunches. Considering those theories, what "If" the Universe just continues to recycle / reincarnated all energy just as it was in past BB events. That could possible mean that what we are doing today we have done billions or even trillions of years in the past in a past life in a past universe. An event that just keeps repeating the same things over and over again.. Deja Vu...

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tkerr wrote:

What "If" Deju Vu was truly experiences we lived at-least once before in a past life. There could be something to those beliefs of reincarnation. However I am thinking at a much larger scale than a person dying and being reborn, and it has nothing to do with multiple dimensions or parallel universes. Just the same dimension in a single Universe Lets refer back to the Big bang. It is theorized that eventually the big bang is going to reach its limits of expansion then collapse back in on itself. The Big Crunch.. It has also theorized that there have been multiple big bangs. If that is so then there has been multiple big crunches. Considering those theories, what "If" the Universe just continues to recycle / reincarnated all energy just as it was in past BB events. That could possible mean that what we are doing today we have done billions or even trillions of years in the past in a past life in a past universe. An event that just keeps repeating the same things over and over again.. Deja Vu... Have A Nice __________

Hrmm, I see where you're coming from with this... However, would that mean we would all end up doing the very same things over and over again everytime? In that case, how many times have we repeated it?

 

I have a problem with the big crunch theory... While hubbles formulae call the universe very young in approximation, the universe is still increasing it's speed of expansion. There's no signs of it slowing down... Though again we're afew million years into the past when we look at the sky, so by now we could be collapsing on ourselves already. I wonder ...

In the moment that begins the big crunch, when the universe starts flowing backwards. Would we see the celestial objects traveling backwards?

Hmm...A VERY interesting topic indeed....

I think I'm with Sandycrane on this one.  I think it has to do with the memory part of your brain.  I think that for some reason, you might experience something that your brain interprets as a signal for presenting an old memory..perhaps one that it has lost the path to, and tries to match it with the event.  There's another idea...What if the brain simply suddenly finds an old, lost path to a forgotten memory?  Of course, this is all just pure speculation...But remember Occum's Razor (or however the crap you spell it!)...The simpler answer is often the truth. Another, more clicheed version is the KISS principle:  Keep It Simple, Stupid. 

Great thinking and research.  I'm gonna follow this one too. 

Lawngazer wrote:

Hrmm, I see where you're coming from with this... However, would that mean we would all end up doing the very same things over and over again everytime? In that case, how many times have we repeated it?

Too Many! I am getting tired of repeating myself over and over again. It's starting to get overly repetitive. No wonder it seems like the television networks seem to have a lot of repeats.

Seriously I agree with Sandy also, Deju Vu is in the brain. Something in your subconsicous mind is storing a similar experience or even a past dream you may have had.  It does not necessarily have to be the same exact event,  but closely similar..
If it is deju vu from a dream you may have had, you may not even consciously remember the dream, simply becuase we don't remember every dream we have. However, the actions you take in you conscious state could be working towards making that dream a reality without you even realizing it until it happens, then voila, you have Deja Vu..

Are we going to need the Excedrin Migraine for this one.

Have A Nice _________

I understand what you are saying but here is a question...

Why does repeat in the same way at the exact same time? Is this whole thing about time repitition?

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To start out with, thanks a lot for all the wonderful posts!

Sandycane's idea is a good one, but not one that matches our study/research. I personally have had experiences in which I knew exactly what was going to happen, seen, heard, etc. second by second. According to all of our research, we are not the only ones. Therefore that idea is no longer valid based on my observations. I am so glad that we have all the resources needed.

We consulted many phycologists, and other people under a lie- detection test for accuracy. The people we talked to all had out of this world experiences. As someone had posted earlier, I do believe that inteligent minds get this experience more often. Our experimental group all had IQs of over 106. Also as someone else had posted about the electromagnetic waves and such, we will definitely look into it.

One last thing, can someone 100% tell me wheather or not it's possible to interact with other dimensions. If I didn't mention this before, our idea is based on parallel dimensions rather than parallel universes.

Once again, thank you all for your support!

David

Cosmo-David,

I remember were I heard about the interactions.  It was on a show by nova called "The Elegant Universe," however I believe this was disscusing parallel universes.  I am not so sure though that there is a difference,  If you could explain the difference I would be satisfied. 

Josh

Ok I shall do my best to explain this in words...

Well first of all, I don't consider parallel dimensions to be the same as a univerise. It's possible to have numerous dimensions without having numerous universes and vise versa. But then another question emerges: Are those other universes in other dimensions/ or are those dimensions in other universes, then the parallel universe theory would fit in to this topic.

An example would be... Here on Earth, we live in A KNOWN universe. And in this known universe, we have three known dimensions. Based on this example, I would then have to say that those two subects are not linked with one another.

Cosmo-David wrote:

Ok I shall do my best to explain this in words... Well first of all, I don't consider parallel dimensions to be the same as a univerise. It's possible to have numerous dimensions without having numerous universes and vise versa. But then another question emerges: Are those other universes in other dimensions/ or are those dimensions in other universes, then the parallel universe theory would fit in to this topic. An example would be... Here on Earth, we live in A KNOWN universe. And in this known universe, we have three known dimensions. Based on this example, I would then have to say that those two subects are not linked with one another.

That would be three spatial dimensions, (Length, Width and Height) However, Time is also widely accepted to be the fourth dimension.
There are theories that consider the possibilities of many more than three or even four spatial dimensions.
Refer to Hyperspace theories

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To call time a true dimension is to stretch the term a bit.  Time, as we understand it, unlike the three dimensions we all know and love, has limited options - it has one predictable static direction.  True, depending on the true motion of a given person (or any object) in the three dimensions, time is perceived differently.  But whereas the third dimension changes the physical nature of a two dimensional universe, time has no physical property that affects our three dimensional universe.  Without time, our three dimensional universe would simply be a frozen moment.  No different than the moment you are experiencing as you read this word.

If there is a true fourth dimension, and I mean a dimension that has physical properties, this would be a fun place to entertain these Deja Vu theories.

leightwing wrote:

To call time a true dimension is to stretch the term a bit.  Time, as we understand it, unlike the three dimensions we all know and love, has limited options - it has one predictable static direction.  True, depending on the true motion of a given person (or any object) in the three dimensions, time is perceived differently.  But whereas the third dimension changes the physical nature of a two dimensional universe, time has no physical property that affects our three dimensional universe.  Without time, our three dimensional universe would simply be a frozen moment.  No different than the moment you are experiencing as you read this word. If there is a true fourth dimension, and I mean a dimension that has physical properties, this would be a fun place to entertain these Deja Vu theories.

Agreed, but what possible physical properties could there be for the 4th dimension (time)? I don't believe time has any physical properties from our understandings in general. The reason I would consider time as a dimension is because our brains can't necessarily understand the concept of time.

Our brains concieve time as day and night and that is measured by a clock/watch. Lets say a person pasts- out at 7:30am.  When that person wakes up at 7:30pm, he/she still thinks it's 7:30am. This proves that our brains have no REAL time reference and therefore time must be another dimension.  

I'm getting into this discussion a bit late, but have been following it and there are some good ideas about deja vu.  From my own experience, I have had a few occasions where either I was doing something, or about to, and I would get this strange feeling that I was about to do something I had already done before.  In one case it was driving down a road I had never been on.  Everything about it seemed familiar, the road, the landscape, everything. 

It could be that the mind is accessing a memory of going down similar road in the past, making this seem like doing that past thing over again.  I think, in some cases at least, it could be that we have had a night dream, or day dream, about some event, and then later that event happens.  I think it is possible that maybe our minds can access higher dimensions, perhaps even ones in which time is not so fixed in sequence, so that the future can perhaps be read and seen, before it happens.  Once that future event becomes the present, then that stored dream or memory of the view of the future, gets triggered and you are in a deja vu experience ... just my guess for what its worth ...

 

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Now, Tim, about your recycled universal energy and reliving the same experiences repeatedly...if  the energy gets all jumbled up, we would not only be reliving portions of our previous life but of billions of other people (and animals and insects and plants, etc... )

That could be, however, not necessarily.
Even if particles of energy got all jumbled up it doesn't mean that our particles of energy have coalesced together from multiple sources each time.  Each particle of energy has its own properties and some of those properties work like magnatism while others could be memory and compatability.
In other words, Different particles of energy will react differently when comming in contact with others. Some will attract while others will repel depending on polarity / memory. Those that attract can coalesce together to form something greater (Our Individualality / Conciousness) and will repel those that do not belong as part of the particular collective.  Like floating around in space colliding and bumping around untill they find their companion particles of energy.
If that were the case then we would re-live our own experiences repeatedly.

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