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GGIT

morbas — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:11:42 GMT

Well here we are again...

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One of the viewers indicated to me that after reading this we did not have to worry about the enviroment, and I replied you got that from this? This subject covers processes on the order of Millions of years.

I have seen many arguements that the carbon waste that industry creates does not cause the majority of the Global Warming problems we have. Well maby not, but it does make it worse, and why we should we do that? You know, make our environment more painful to us. Besides, it could just tip the scales and cause a very bad runnaway event.

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And in respect to the viewer ship, an excerpt from the paper itself...

The Oligocene Epoch 30M years ago was a cooling event, which is also associated with an extinction level event. This was an epoch of significant Geotectonic activity ending with our present global geography. It has been and remains a bit of a mystery. Symmetry could exist between the Cenozoic Paleogene-Neogene division with the Ordovician-Silurian division as they occurred at almost the same point between the same two Arms, albeit 420M apart. Both have 45My 25My patterns in the Paleogene-Neogene and Ordovician-Siluran interval. One might equally expect this from an independent 220M year process. The 220M Geotectonic Nemesis Interval could address inter arm ICE Ages.

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The OP (see FIRST entry in this thread) has been edited to include this 220M Geotectonic Nemesis Interval.

GGIT Geotectonic Overlay...

morbas — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:11:52 GMT

On this day....

Happy 52,997 views 2007 NOV 03

And in my research....

A Geologic Tectonic 220M (year) cycle apparently extends over the entire Earth Geologic History, offset to 30M (year) ago. This overlays on the Inter Arm locations Perseus / Orion and Scutum-Crux / Shaver arm positions. These are Phanerozoic Eon Permian Extinction and much earlier Odovician Extinction end dates 250, 470 M past. The Paleogene 30M ago aligns to the Neotectonic geotectonic cycle....looking....

Complete Periodic Geologic Time Table, Kevin Radian Czechoslavak Academy of Sciences, Institute of Geography. Geo Journal 24.2 417-420 1990.

Galactic Geotectonic Nemesis

The 22 Geotechnic Cycles labels are not found anywhere on the web....the paper indicates 220M intervals of geologic activities...

Conclusion:...For the time being, the significance of a periodical time table is a theoretical one.

Just having some unbridled

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Galactic Geotectonic Nemesis Correlation:

The Paleogene-Oligocene (34Ma) was an cooling environment (maybe we now have a cause) , the Permian Extinction (250Ma) has evidence of a High Thermal runaway followed by a deep Ice Age, and Strong Evidence exist for the Ordovician Extinction (450Ma) as a Ice Age (the worst because of early Sol main sequence, relative low Sol temperature).

Notes:
a) Extreme volcanism events have recorded cooling of the Earth (Krakatau et al.), in some cases eliminating summer crops.
b) Did anybody notice, 34M, 250M and 450M are at 220M intervals?
c) Legend: M stands for Million Years in most cases Million Years Ago which is redundantly labled Ma for clarity.

So could there be a Nemisis some where in the mix, something at the source of the Orion Spur, and the lil'shaver spur? After all not impossible if you listen to noted scientists editors like P.C.Frisch in 'Solar Journey: The Significance of out Galactic Environment for the Heliosphere and Earth'. Somewhere in the brilliant assimilation of innumerable scientific papers about the structure of the Galaxy she considered the Arms as waves, having different speeds. So, I ask, could the Geologic Geotectonic Nemesis be a resonance, high densities point which Sol passes causing Geologic Tectonic activity. Ah, not so far fetched...And then I have the most troubling terminators answered in GGIT, an Ordovician ICE AGE between the Arms, An Permian ICE AGE between the arms, and a Oligocene Cooling (extinction by some accounts) between the arms, an event that terminated Dinosaur presence. Just perhaps some of our earliest lineage may have been witness.

PS: All have to say this expensive book is well worth it. I strongly suspect I will be looking and posting much more on that.

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And that I will...time to update the OP and figures....

GGIT Peer Request

morbas — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:49:06 GMT

This is a Request for GGIT peer critique.

For personnal/confidential contact, use ASTRONOMY member messaging.

I have one confidential verbal very encouraging PHD. level appraisal.

Global Dimming

morbas — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:38:32 GMT

Airing this next week is:

Next on NOVA: "Dimming the Sun"

http://www.pbs.org/nova/sun

Tuesday, September 4 at 8 p.m.

Nova also presents an overview slide set:

Discoveries in
Global Dimming

An argument against air pollution reduction is implied, as the report focus is pollution caused global dimming. Read it understanding that atmospheric particulate suspension washes out quickly as compared to CO₂, which requires long term organic cleansing. In support of the article they do mention that particulate suspension has masked global warming. But this is one line surrounded by a cacophony of dimming statistics. Perhaps we could save Earth from global warming by polluting the environment with global haze. But I think not, as reduction of sunlight reduces photosynthesis, reducing CO₂cleansing, increasing total atmospheric CO₂. With the Permian Extinction having the lead, the verse is...So much for the Blue Skies, nothing but grey skies all day long...

Permian Correlation

morbas — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:46:55 GMT

Simple calculation of a 9Ma (Ma: Million years ago) Plane crossing and 29M (M=Million years) time between plane crossing show [1] the Permian was near maximum distance falling (8.35 intervals) , [2] Mississippian near maximum distance rising (10.66 intervals) , but [3] the Silurian was at the plane crossing (14.035 intervals).

[1] The sine function of 0.35*180 yields a 90% of maximum z-axis height point. This is between the Scutum-Crux (major) Arm and Shaver (spur) Arm. The Permian is likely a Cosmic Ray exposure at a very rare alignment of northern z-axis height (90%), maximum distance between two arms, and a particular Scutum-Crux(major) Arm trans Shaver (spur) Arm alignment. At the Permian End date, we are a far away from the arms as possible, and one of those arms is a spur (small), and at the maximum z axis height, exasperating the intergalactic (Virgo) cosmic intensity. These facts support a Galactic Plane Oscillation as a coincidental contributor to Perimian Geologic End Date.

[2] The sine function of 0.66*180 yields a 87% of maximum z-axis height point. This is between Sagittarius (major) Arm and Scutum-Crux (major) Arm. Not much on the Mississipian other than ideal conditions for coal production, Crinoids and warm water creatures ideal for calcification. The transition from Mississippian to Pennsylvanian was a gentile mid Carboniferous event.

[3] The Silurian Period ended in general cooling, and finally warming at the following Devonian Period boundary.

This shows very clearly that the z-axis oscillation can cause Geologic End Date(s) if aligned to particular GGIT Arm Intercepts. PS: I have left the previous GGIT Permian section for archive.

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Thread clarity about galactic plane crossing periodicity fixed. We were at almost maximum distance from the Galactic Plane and maximum distance between major and minor Arms, which compounded cosmic ray dosage, causing the Permian Extinction.

I am seeking information on the dosage level required to extinguish 95% life (Permian levels)

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Cosmic Ray Space Dosage is quite significant. Galactic z-axis oscillation effect of biodiversity levels is a significant discovery. Also, concurrent to interarm voids, high galactic plane z-axis displacement will obviously increase Cosmic Ray dosage (Permian). I will check my purse strings for more information on this. If anybody fancies human space habitation, this will be a major obstacle.

GGIT Permian

morbas — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:58:45 GMT

If you look at the Galactic Map, you will notice that three Period Terminators Silurian, Mississippian and Permian are a contiguous grouping of two 70My intervals. The 60My Galactic point is effectively slipping past the maximum distance between arms. Thus we see a maximum distance above/below the Galactic Plane occurring at maximum distance between arms for a limited Geologic time.

morbas

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Simple calculation of a 9Mya Plane crossing and 29My time between plane crossing show the Permian was near maximum distance falling(8.35 intervals), Mississippian near maximum distance rising (10.66 intervals) , but the Silurian was at the plane crossing (14.035 intervals).

(the sine function of 0.35*180 yields a 90% of maximum height point)

The Silurian Period ended in general cooling, and finally warming at the following Devonian Period boundary.

Not much on the Mississipian other than ideal conditions for coal production, Crinoids and warm water creatures ideal for calcification. The transition from Mississippian to Pennsylvanian was a gentile mid Carboniferous event.

Of course the Permian is well covered, and thermal runaway is a prime cause for massive Oceanic Methane releases.

These facts reinforce my opinion that the Galactic Plane Crossing is a minor contributor to Geologic End Dates, with exception of the Permian Extinction. Thus is born out by the fact that every Arm Interception has forced a Geologic End Date, where as the much more numerous Plane interception's produced sporadic events.

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Hmmm, if this holds further scrutiny, guess intergalactic cosmic ray hypothesis looks good for the Permian Extinction....

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It looks very good for both GGIT and the Galactic Bow Shock Hypothesis (GBSH if I may).

From SPACE.COM Ker Than:

The galactic bow shock is only present on the north side of the Milky Way's galactic plane, because that is the side facing the Virgo Cluster as it moves through space, and it would cause superheated gas and cosmic rays to stream behind it, the researchers say. Normally, our galaxy's magnetic field shields our solar system from this "galactic wind." But every 64 million years, the solar system's cyclical travels take it above the galactic plane.
"When we emerge out of the disk, we have less protection, so we become exposed to many more cosmic rays," Melott told SPACE.com.
Last year, Appleton and his team discovered a bow shock surrounding a galaxy in Stephan's Quintet, a galactic cluster located 300 million light years away. The shock wave is traveling about 620 miles (1,000 km) per second relative to the (Virgo, ed) cluster

Per GGIT the Permian end date appears midway between the Scutum-Crux Arm and the Shaver Arm. Now, if the Shaver Arm is equivalent to Orion Arm, it is a minor spur. This being the case, it would not have the size and density of any of the four major arms. So we would have a very thin Galactic shield at the North most traversal of the Sol z-axis oscillation. Indeed, that is where Sol (us) happens to be at the Permian terminator. The published biota level histogram would tend to support this effect.

Just that at the Permian End date, we are a far away from the arms as possible, and one of those arms is a spur (small), and at the maximum z axis height, exasperating the intergalactic (Virgo) cosmic intensity.

Could it be that Sol and Earth shields were overcome....

I have passed this information on to Ker Than of SPACE.COM and Phd Richard Muller UC Berkley. Perhaps they will express interest.

References:

Cosmic Evolution

Galactic Bow Shock

Edited for clarity 19 Aug 2007 morbas

GGIT re-Star Dragon

morbas — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:15:03 GMT

Thankyou,

I hope to hear from any of these professionals, criticisms welcome. I think the BAUT interchange was much to short (to get much work done), and would like a deeper exchange.

morbas

Posted by myself on Discovery Extinction Blurb

During the Permian, the Pennsylvanian coal was in a (relatively) shallow substrate. It could have been the carbon source for a thermal runaway event, perhaps carbon sublimation (burn off ed) into a self reinforced warming of the atmosphere. Assuming a 29My Galactic plane intercept with an offset of 9My (see Meteorite Analysis above ed), the Permian event accurred very close to maximum distance from the Galactic Plane, at a maximum distance between Scutum-Crux and unseen Shaver sixth arm.

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I found a very good (overview) article on a (not so but very) controversial subject Global Warming. Kinda puts the whole proposal in context.

Contrary to popular parlance, science can never truly "prove" a theory. Science simply arrives at the best explanation of how the world works.

Reference

Just a little support for a parallel to a Permian Extinction as a thermal run-away event.

But the battle is now over, and greenhouse gases have won.

Re: GGIT Origins

Star Dragon — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:52:21 GMT

morbas,

I will be at our monthly meeting on Friday Aug the 17th at the Christa Mcauliffe Planetarium.

I hope to get permission to speak about your GGIT,and ask for help with a review from some of our esteemed members.

I will try to persuade the right people to look at all of your GGIT research,

hopefully My contacts can get your GGIT looked at by some PHD's or at least the right people with the right contacts. I cant promise anything other than I will try to peak some interest.

Dennis;)

GGIT Origins

morbas — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:00:54 GMT

StarDragon:

What compelled you to start this massive investigation, what tipped you off to lead you to GGIT?

During an employment layoff period 2003, I re-opened my case on Genesis (poor choice of words) started in 1991. The amount of information available since that conjecture was found to have expanded almost exponentially...and the Milky Way Galaxy entered the seriously equation about 1995-2000. I copyrighted a paper in 2003, Galactic Genesis. When I first started the Hypothesis I honestly was (always will be) very naive about the Milkway Galaxy. Galactic Space processes are still being uncovered, and I am ever so interested in any papers.

StarDragon:

Now if you could just get some sort of verification to all the data you have amassed! so many papers to review, so much may have changed since those papers used in your data were written.

During the posting in this sight, I have not found any contradictory evidence presented by deep space research, nor with recent fluxuations with Geologic Period dating. To the contrary, these changes more closely support and add perspective to GGIT.

More so; it was in this forum, that the hypothesis was formatted. I credit the availability of this forum, research papers published throughout the world, and the contribution of all online criticisms. If you notice, a section of this thread has second person quotes from the original exposition. And you see many continuous sections of my entry. It did not start that way, I reformatted and restarted the Original presentation. (see proscript entry)

StarDragon:

I would sincerely like to see the GGIT reviewed! truly an incredible amount of work, don't give up!

The numbers of original papers at the source of all the references would cost me an arm and leg to purchase. Although I have one PHD that accepts the truth, I think he is (although a world renowned geneticist, cumlaude U of ILL) not qualified for reference...as he is me Padre, eh? I write to many of the references and have not received any response. I have submitted to multiple Journals and have received replies indicating my reference material is not at high enough levels. (Hmm, maybe I should pass this information on to the references). And ASTRONOMY magazine editors slough this off...well the KT event discovery met with equal incredulity.

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If anyone begins a serious paper on line, reserve multiple sections, and try to reserve comment sections immediately after each viewer counter arguments. This affords a professional and continuous one to one flow. You do not have to format a reply immediately. This way you learn...

If Only the original sections could be given back to the original posters...Alternately I still hold they should be, and offer unabridged editing to them, preferably through forum masters.

And, liberally use spell checkers.

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Well whadya know: found

"Morbas" meaning purple heads originating from Morkaraman Sheep?

Re: RE: lowell GGIT

Star Dragon — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:22:18 GMT

Hi Morbas,

so far I find all of your work and research into the GGIT that you have presented here, to be quite fascinating to say the least.

Have you uploaded all of your research onto a personal web site that we can refer the specialists in all the diverse fields that the GGIT requires?

I personally think that it does deserve a good look from all the experts that are current in all the diverse fields the GGIT encompasses.

I sincerely hope to see your GGIT somewhere else besides this fora, where it can be linked to more easily, and reviewed in its entirety, by the scientific community. You really should and, deserve to have this studied by others.

What compelled you to start this massive investigation, what tipped you off to lead you to GGIT?

Its an incredible amount of research with implications that are eyebrow raising, from what little I know of all the disciplines involved with GGIT, I for one, strongly believe in your initial GGIT findings.

Now if you could just get some sort of verification to all the data you have amassed! so many papers to review, so much may have changed since those papers used in your data were written.

I would sincerely like to see the GGIT reviewed! truly an incredible amount of work, don't give up!

Dennis ;)

Re: GGIT & ORION ARM

lowell — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:22:08 GMT

Dr.Henrik Svensmark' cosmic ray theory of global warming was seemingly put to rest by Dr. Piers Forster from Leeds University U.K.. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported that the greenhouse gases were about 13 times more responsible for rising global temps. What that has to do with GGIT I have no idea but I did bring up Dr. Svensmark's name and I wanted to report the IPCC's findings . Lowell

Re: GGIT & ORION ARM

lowell — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:33:44 GMT

Morbus, I have been trying to catch up on the earth's eras, periods and epochs and the present theory of mass extinctions. My source this time is "The Weather Makers" by Tim Flannery. He mentions the Milankovich cycles. Specifically, the difference in the earth's eliptical orbit, which changes the total amount of the sun's energy reaching the earth. The second cycle takes 42,000 years and relates to the tilt of the earth on its axis, the third cycle concerns the wobble of the earth on its axis. You brought up an interesting point about our position in the galaxy and in the Orion arm, and I've tried to extrapolate some sort of trend that would take into consideration your GGIT, Milankovich cycles and the known extinctions. 439 million years ago, the Ordovian-Silurian, late Devonian 364 million years ago, the Permian-Triassic, 251 million years ago and finally the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction 65 million years ago that spelled doom for the dinosaurs. All along in this thread I've been interested in all the diciplines that should be brought together under the GGIT umbrella and you've hit on a very important point that has nothing to do with formulae and everything to do with formulae. This is one of the first times we can take astronomical and cosmological concepts using the GGIT- cosmoclimatology hypothesis and blend in the Geological and paleontological hypothesis as our 440-65 million year base. Combine that with the GGIT and using Milankovich cycles we can come to the realization that all these processes, for good or evil, occur as natural phenomena. Now we should ask ourselves, as you posited, will the present global warming, all by itself, caused by human intervention, cause as much damage to the biomass on the earth as all the natural intervention has, over the last 6 geological eras? Happy Fourth of July Lowell

GGIT & ORION ARM

morbas — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:11:27 GMT

Look at this.... Galactic neighborhood

The Local Bubble and the Galactic Neighborhood
Illustration Credit & Copyright: Linda Huff (American Scientist), Priscilla Frisch (U. Chicago)

GGIT predicts our position relative to the ORION arm as about 6My away from the future intercept of the Orion Arm center. We are presently in relatively low density area of the Arm. (by one account, swept clear by a supernova) That SOL will see variations in He H density in the next ten M(year) is indicated by the Number of Rifts in the direction of the Galactic Center. Most of the Orion Arm is yet to be traveled through. According to this mapping, we are not getting much relief from global warming by the ORION Arm HE/H2 gas flow. That will be up to us; one way or the other.

At our (human) experience level, we have no concept of M(year) environmental impact. However, Geology has this experience level.

GGIT Histogram

morbas — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:14:10 GMT

The wikipedia has this history posted...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

And except for one age (Cretaceous) the pole reversals are at a very high frequency as compared to Geologic Periods. And Cretaceous pole stability can be questioned by magnetic geologic memory erasure. No direct correlation seems probable. However, synergism (the whole greater than the sum) should be considered, and a possible rogue wave occurrence. Leitch & Vasisht, 1997, Mass Extinction's and the sun's encounters with spiral arms also considers probability of extinction's higher in an arm; multiple casuals.

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This is unbelievable ... and not without support too....

lowell:

This is one of the first times we can take astronomical and cosmological concepts using the GGIT- cosmoclimatology hypothesis and blend in the Geological and paleontological hypothesis as our 440-65 million year base.

stardragon:

Its an incredible amount of research with implications that are eyebrow raising, from what little I know of all the disciplines involved with GGIT, I for one, strongly believe in your initial GGIT findings.

And entropy13 (a new member) just to give me five stars...

It was easy for him, any others?

With Appreciation

morbas

Re: RE: lowell GGIT

Star Dragon — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:57:08 GMT

Morbas, Lowell,

Since there is a record of all the past magnetic field reversals in lava flows, is it possible to count how many reversals we have had in the past and make any correlationsto your GGIT, by studying the age of the flows?

Dennis ;)