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Last post 10-11-2009 09:31 AM by tasco-60mm. 4 replies.
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  • 10-09-2009 08:35 PM

    • Kate
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    small size CCD

     Hi there,

     

    What's the value of small size CCD Chips in astronomical (amateur) research ?

    Are they maybe still useful for small but deep pictures in asteroid observing and surveys?

    How can they contribute to (semi-)professional research tasks?

     

    Thanks and greetings,

     

    Kate

  • 10-09-2009 09:20 PM In reply to

    Re: small size CCD

    If you mean small as in pixel count, then they're useful for things like photometry (measuring the brightness of things), and for use with long-focal-length telescopes when you don't mind the small field of view. If you have an accurate mount, as well, they're useful for photometrically determining the spin rate of asteroids.

    If you are thinking about using one for planetary imaging, then you need one that supports a frame rate of 5fps to 30fps with a low-noise output. If you are thinking about imaging planetary nebulae, then you need the opposite: long exposures with low noise, even though the field of view can be quite narrow for most of them.

    And if you need very accurate autoguiding and the camera can support short exposures with low noise and high output rate, then they'd be useful for that.

    What they are not very useful for is wide-field targets, or astrometry (since their field of view is typically quite small in moderate to long focal length scopes.

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  • 10-10-2009 07:54 AM In reply to

    • Kate
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    Re: small size CCD

    Thank you Jeff for this informations.

    But it isn't like this that the big CCD are in special projects or else in one single task better than the small CCD (in pixel number and average pixel size of 8-10) just because they just can't do it? In other words, the big one can do everything just as good as the small ones but most things they can better.

    Kate

  • 10-10-2009 05:43 PM In reply to

    Re: small size CCD

    There is a relationship called image scale, that depends on the pixel size of the camera chip versus the focal length of the telescope. In an extreme case, if you don't match the pixel size to focal length "properly" you could end up with only part of your target on the chip, or the whole target will fit but fill so few pixels that you don't get as much detail in the image as if you'd chosen a better image scale.

    This means that you should match the size of the targets you most often image to a "proper" image scale and then be sure you have a scope/camera combination that supports that scale.

    However, with the very small chips we're talking about one extreme of the scale, and with the very large chips with tiny pixels we're talking about the opposite end of the scale.

    My interpretation of your original question was whether the small-chip cameras have applications at all, rather than applications for which they're better than larger-chip cameras.

    Just to say, for example:

    Kate:

    ... the big one can do everything just as good as the small ones but most things they can better ...

    is not sufficient. If you want to put a large-chip camera to its best use for a given target diameter, you want to spread the detail in the target across the largest number of pixels, with the best quantum efficiency, at the best image scale, for that particular size of target. While you can make some adjustments (such as binning), there are only a few choices that are appropriate for a given scope/camera combination that result in the best target 'coverage' ... where "best" is defined as the desired detail for a given range of exposures.

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  • 10-11-2009 09:31 AM In reply to

    • tasco-60mm
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    Re: small size CCD

    kate, do a web search for imaging arc seconds per pixel and see what you come up with- heres also a nice fill in chart http://www.wilmslowastro.com/software/formulae.htm#ARCSEC/PIXEL_b

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