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new to astroimaging and have questions
Last post 03-31-2009 12:08 PM by tkerr. 3 replies.
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  • 03-31-2009 08:56 AM

    new to astroimaging and have questions

    Ok, I finally bought a camera so I can take up astrophotography. But I have 10,000 questions and I am not sure where to start. So I guess I will just pick one and go from there as I experiment more.

    First off, I should say that the camera I bought is a Nikon 35 mm camera. It isn't the most expensive camera on the marker by any means, but I figured it will get me started. My main goal here is to photograph all of the messier objects first and when I upgrade my apeture all the other objects. I think I am going to do prime focus photography, so my first question is what speed film do I need and do I HAVE to use extended exposures for prime focus photography. I also would like to try my luck at just standard pictures of the night sky...something I attempted at last years WUTS but failed miserably. So any pointers anyone can give me, would be most appreciated. Thanks


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  • 03-31-2009 09:35 AM In reply to

    Re: new to astroimaging and have questions

    Alan,

    In this digital age there are not many 35mm shooters any more.Shoot (pardond the pun) they used to shoot 120mm films for plates.  I just helped sell a 14" Celestron F1.5 Schmidt Camera to a collector. They do not even make films that can do long exposure images any more. All of the film company's have given in to digital. If you do find film it will not be as sensitive as a ccd camera or some of the more sensitive CMOS cameras. I know you can get a 35mm film camera now a days for $200 or less, but you must expose the films for 30 to 40 minutes or more. With the newer digital cameras you expose for 30 seconds to 5 minutes and stack frames like the Hubble does  and you can produce some great images. If you are an old school die hard and want to do it then by all means go for it. You must know how to hyper your own film? Just a few questions if you really want to. I know some old timers I can reference you to.

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  • 03-31-2009 09:52 AM In reply to

    Re: new to astroimaging and have questions

     Film's not dead yet, but it's ailing real bad. I was amazed at what I could do when I went to digital from film.

    See if you can find an old copy of Micheal Covington's  "Astrophotgraphy for the Amateur". It was written pre digital and is still one of the best books around for film.

    Casper library might be able to get it for you.

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  • 03-31-2009 12:08 PM In reply to

    Re: new to astroimaging and have questions

    Unfortunately since the growing popularity of Digital has overtaken film photography many of the best films are no longer produced.  Nevertheless there are still some that will do the job.  Best films are slide films such as Kodak Kodachrome or Ektachrome and some of the Fuji Slide films.  Kodak slide film has a better red sensitivity.   Print films for night sky photography aren't the best but can still be used. 400 asa films are good enough. less than that is too slow, 800 or faster is too grainy/noisy.  
    Calculating the length of exposure you need is the trick.   Bracketing your shots and taking notes will work, Or you can find a exposure calculator such as one that can be found at covington innovations.
    The first one on the top of this list.
    http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/astro/astrosoft.html

    You can also read this to help understand what you're about to step off into.
    http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums/t/19319.aspx

    the first few pictures you take should be during the daylight, especially if you take the film to a non-professional film developer such as those 1 hour places at WalMart.  
    Night sky photos are so dark the machines have a hard time finding the frame reference and will cut your pictures in half.   Taking two or three daylight photos will provide that reference for cutting.  You will also need to explain to the person behind the counter they are night sky photos and to develop them all allowing you to pick which one to keep.

    Once you learn the limits of the film under the conditions of your skies, then it's not that difficult. But I can tell you this for sure, you will have many more failures than successes with film.  The advantage of digital is the ability to see the results immediately giving you the chance to delete failed attempts and make necessary adjustments. With film you're stuck with what you got once the shutter has closed.

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