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Dark Matter Has been proven!!!
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  • 08-30-2008 01:15 PM

    Dark Matter Has been proven!!!

    Dark matter is shown in blue, ordinary matter is coloured pink

    "Striking evidence has been

    found for the enigmatic "stuff" called dark matter which makes up 23% of the Universe, yet is invisible to our eyes.

     

    The results come from astronomical observations of a titanic collision between two clusters of galaxies 5.7 billion light-years away.

    Astronomers detected the dark matter because it separated from the normal matter during the cosmic smash-up.

    The research team are to publish their findings in the Astrophysical Journal.

    They used the Hubble and Chandra space telescopes to study the object MACSJ0025.4-1222 - formed after an incredibly energetic collision between two large galaxy clusters.

    Each of these large clusters contains about a quadrillion times the mass of our Sun.

    A technique known as gravitational lensing was used to map the dark matter with Hubble.

    If an observer looks at a distant galaxy and some dark matter lies in between, the light from that galaxy gets distorted.

    It looks as if it is being seen through lots of little lenses. And each of these lenses represents a piece of dark matter.

    Astronomers used the Chandra X-ray telescope to map ordinary matter in the merging clusters, mostly in the form of hot gas, which glows brightly in X-rays.

    As the two clusters that formed MACSJ0025 merged at speeds of millions of kilometres per hour, hot gas in the two clusters collided and slowed down.

    However, the dark matter kept on going, passing right through the smash-up.

    Speeding bullet

    This phenomenon has been seen before, in a structure called the Bullet Cluster - which also formed after the collision of two large galaxy clusters. The Bullet Cluster lies closer to Earth, at a distance of 3.4 billion light-years.

    "It puts to rest all the worries that the Bullet Cluster was an anomalous case. We have gone out and found another one," co-author Richard Massey, from the Royal Observatory Edinburgh, told BBC News.

    The study sheds light on the properties of dark matter.

    The fact that dark matter does not slow down in the collision supports a view that dark matter particles interact with each other only very weakly or not at all (when one excludes their gravitational interaction).

    "Dark matter makes up five times more matter in the Universe than ordinary matter," said co-author Marusa Bradac, from the University of California at Santa Barbara (UCSB).

    "This study confirms that we are dealing with a very different kind of matter, unlike the matter that we are made of. And we're able to study it in a very powerful collision of two clusters of galaxies."

    Larger sample

    The latest astronomical observations suggest that dark matter makes up some 23% of the Universe. Ordinary matter - such as the galaxies, gas, stars and planets - makes up just 4%.

    The remaining 73% is made up of another mysterious quantity; dark energy, which is responsible for speeding up the expansion of the cosmos.

    According to one model, dark matter may be comprised of exotic sub-atomic "stuff" known as Weakly Interacting Massive Particles (WIMPS).

    Others hold that the dark substance consists of everyday matter, rather than some elusive sub-atomic particle. However, this ordinary matter, referred to as Massive Astrophysical Compact Halo Objects (MACHOS), happens to radiate little or no light.

    A powerful physics experiment, the Large Hadron Collider, which is currently under construction on the French-Swiss border, could shed further light on this question after it begins operating later this year.

    Dr Massey said his team had found other candidates for colliding clusters.

    "Ideally, we don't want just one or two, we want lots of these things and really study them statistically," he explained.

    "Then we either use the whole lot, or pick out one 'golden bullet' which will provide the best constraints on what dark matter is."

    The Hubble Space Telescope failed just after the team had taken their image of MACSJ0025, so they have not yet been able to study these other candidates.

    Dr Massey said the astronomers hope to do this after the next Hubble servicing mission with the space shuttle, which is due to launch in October 2008. "

     

    This can be found in the science/nature column of the BBC news.  This should finally convince all sane people that Dark Matter really is a part of our universe.  What say you to that?

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  • 08-30-2008 07:04 PM In reply to

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    This is no different from observations of galactic halos and the gravitational effects of some STILL as yet unidentified material.

    It still does not explain WHAT dark matter is (and why none of it is around us on earth).
     

  • 08-30-2008 10:25 PM In reply to

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    Oh but it is different!   You see, no one can say this is caused by relativistic MOND, or any other made up stuff.   No one can now claim with any relavence that Dark Matter does not exist, that Hubble was wrong, or that there is simply not enough evidence to prove the theory of Dark Matter.  These observations prove visually that Dark Matter does exist.  It is an actual physical entity that is seperate from it's host galaxies.

    You are correct that we don't know what it is exactly, but at least we can say that is here.  As far as saying that it is not on earth, how can you prove that it doesn't envelope this galaxy, solar system included?  It probably most certainly is around us but is totally invisible to our instruments at close range, at this time.  Yes, Dark Matter is here to stay.

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  • 08-31-2008 03:22 PM In reply to

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    Because of this discovery of dark matters behavior during galactic collisions, new speculations are emerging as to how the collisions mature.

    Although dark matter interacts with itself and ordinary matter only weakly, it still does interact, or else clumping would not occur, and being as we don’t really see much evidence of clumps of dark matter out in space all alone, we can assume that these clumps will eventually settle back down into the area where the ordinary matter has already settled. But because of the difference in timing between when the two types of matter recombine, this also changes the way that the two original clumps (Galaxies) reform from their collision.

    It is already known that the speed at which all galaxies spin, is affected by the presence of dark matter. Namely: That they rotate far to quickly to be held together by just ordinary matter alone. If it weren’t for dark matter, a galaxy would fly apart. So what would happen during a collision of two galaxies when the dark matter passes through the collision out past where the ordinary matter now resides?

    Being as the galaxies now don’t have the dark matter that was holding them together, they will begin to swell. This allows for the two galaxies to collide and then to expand in size, only to reform later when the dark matter reenters the picture into a much more stately, grown, and now reforming, new, and larger galaxy.

    Perhaps this may explain why most galaxies have only one very large and central black hole. The black holes are one of the first to collide with each other, before the swelling of the two galaxies starts to develop. This allows for the density of the newly formed galaxy to essentially remain unchanged, while the size of the black hole easily suit’s the size of this newly formed galaxy. What a marvelous way in which the timing of these two forms of matter may interact!

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  • 09-04-2008 06:10 AM In reply to

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    G'day from the land of ozzzzzzzz

    Ultra Compact matter found in Neutron stars, quark stars, other exotic stars and black holes make up close to 70 if not more of all the matter. This matter is in the form of degenerate matter either as Neutron matter , quark composites and in the case of a black hole maybe preon-particles. This matter rangers in deanity from 10^17 Kg/m3 to 10^35 Kg/m3.

    These ultra compact bodies form gravity sinks that effects their surroundings and motions. It gives form and controls the motion of the parts within the galaxy.  

      

     

  • 09-05-2008 10:15 PM In reply to

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    The ultra dense matter that you are speaking of may constitute 70% of the ordinary matter that we are accustomed to, but this does not include dark matter.  The ultra dense matter that you are speaking about, makes up only about 9.6% of all of the known matter of the universe.  Dark matter is far more influential on the large scale of galaxies and galaxy clusters.  Galaxies and galaxy clusters spin too quickly to be held together by ordinary matter.

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  • 09-06-2008 12:17 AM In reply to

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    If Dark matter is Dusty then this thread is posted by a very influential character!   Are you sure you don't know more than you are letting on?

    DM overshooting the colision site HAS to be a big clue as to its true nature.   

    DM is almost like a shadow following visible matter through the cosmos.

     

    PH.

  • 09-06-2008 01:09 AM In reply to

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    G'day from the land of ozzzzzzz

    Dusty matter I think you have dark ammter and energy out of context. The matter you are talking about cannot be proven.

     

    The Dark matter that I spoke and is unseen is hidden in compact matter, I say 70% to 80 % of all the matter in the known universe.

    I will refer to this to links later.

     

     

     

     

  • 02-01-2010 11:58 PM In reply to

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    i dont understand how we know the blue section is dark matter. is it possible that its gas being thrown towards us by the collision of the two clusters?

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  • 02-02-2010 12:31 AM In reply to

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    I don't believe that its an open and shut case just yet, besides what Harry has already mentioned, I think we nay have also underestimated the number of planets or dark objects that are most likely out there, along with normal subatomic particles that we are just now starting to investigate.

     Then there is that darn highly magnetized cloud that we are currently plowing through that we just discovered for which physicists say should not exist, I posted that one a while ago.

    Now how could we miss that one? what other clouds could be out there that we just have not been able to detect as of yet? there is also a particular form of molecular hydrogen that is supposedly very hard to detect.

    Many times has our science been fooled by illusions and logical assumptions only to find out we were missing something and then we correct our assumptions.

    I'm keeping an open mind and I am waiting to see how these questions are finally tested and proven.  The LHC may just blow the lid off what we think we know.

  • 02-02-2010 12:53 AM In reply to

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     i havent heard anything about the cloud you mentioned. could you point me toward your post about it? id love to read up on it. thanks.

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  • 02-02-2010 12:57 AM In reply to

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    Harry Costas: I agree, on the density up to 4.17943695 X 10 ^ 26 Kg/m^3, due to the photon sphere confinement.

  • 02-02-2010 01:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Dark Matter Has been proven!!!

    It could be in my line of thinking, dark matter is nothing more than ordinary matter that we can observe BUT it could be ordinary matter acting in more or less than 3 degrees of freedom. In other words there could be thermal and non-thermal aspects of each particle or conglerate mass based on its situation in what we see as "normal" space. It may also be possible that there are fractional degrees of freedom based on thermal spread of which one example is free photon travel. It is also possible, due to what we observe as the uncertainty principle that probablistic paths may contribute in some manner. I was going to start a new thread on this thinking that came to me, but I want to finish up on my other thread first I guess.

  • 02-02-2010 07:50 AM In reply to

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    Here is the link to the article, http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/23dec_voyager.htm

    Dennis

  • 02-02-2010 09:31 AM In reply to

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     thanks for the link

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  • 02-13-2010 11:39 PM In reply to

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     here's another image claiming to show dark matter. im not sure i believe it, but i thought i'd share. one thing im confused about though. everyone says that dark matter has a strong gravitational lensing effect. wouldn't that mean at the middle of the ring shown here, that there would be a gap where no galaxies show up? or is the effect not strong enough to do that?

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  • 02-17-2010 12:19 AM In reply to

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     ok my bad. i read an article saying that gravitational lensing is typically very small.

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