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Approx.70 to 98% of the mass subatomic particles can be attributated to relativistic motion.
Last post 06-12-2008 08:19 PM by Primordial. 3 replies.
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  • 06-11-2008 11:15 PM

    Approx.70 to 98% of the mass subatomic particles can be attributated to relativistic motion.

    If the relativistic energy of the photon or gluon inside the event horizon is unable to present its relativistic energy to an observer external to the event horizon, due to the time dilation of General Relativity, then how as, Mr. Hawking states in his book Abrief History Of  Time, can the relativistic mass produced by the relativistic motion, that is the origin of 70 to 98% of the mass and gravitational effect on space-time, that in turn produces the event horizon. There must be other gravitational producing substance present. If a true event horizon is produced. Just think about it. 

  • 06-12-2008 06:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Approx.70 to 98% of the mass subatomic particles can be attributated to relativistic motion.

      You know, my wife and I were hob-knobbing about that just the other day.  Ain't that a kicker?

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  • 06-12-2008 02:20 PM In reply to

    Re: Approx.70 to 98% of the mass subatomic particles can be attributated to relativistic motion.

    In order to escape or send information to the outside of the event horizon, it would have to travel faster than the speed of light, and thats not possible, as far as we know.

    Anything that has gravity has an event horizon, meaning that an object has to travel a certain minimum velocity to escape it.

    When an object is inside the event horizon, its mass adds to the total and increases the space-time curvature. The more stuff that falls in, the more mass and gravity in the black hole. Perhaps the radius of the event horizon also increases.

  • 06-12-2008 08:19 PM In reply to

    Re: Approx.70 to 98% of the mass subatomic particles can be attributated to relativistic motion.

    TeleNoob  : That's true, about the event horizon, however a mass the size of our sun would have a diameter of about 6 KM, but does it have a singularity? So would you consider it, a virtual event horizon or a precursor of an event horizon, because the mass density inside this radius is below the point where the time is dilated to the point where V^2/C^2=1, if so the same should be true of the singularity. That's true, about the escape velocity of any interaction boson, it would need to exceed the velocity of C to escape the black hole's event horizon, so how does the gravitational boson escape if it's velocity is C, and how does the relativistic mass of the black hole reach past the point where V^2/C^2=1, if approx. 70 to 98% of a quark owe it's mass to relativistic mass due to motion, once this event horizon forms. I would like to suggest the black hole is sort of gray, and V^2/ C^2 can only approach 1 but never reaches 1, and that the black hole still obeys relativity in the same manner as does the photon, and the event horizon can shift, similar to the way the relative energy shifts in the photon from reference frame to reference frame, and that it too, has a wave function. This allows gravity and electromagnetic bosons to escape with relativistic interaction, dependent on the relativistic space-time vectors of any reference frame of any observer. This would also keep Mr. Einstein's 2nd postulate valid. Thanks for your time and insight.

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