On the topic of the planet X, i want to discuss the theory of planet X coming into our solar system and causing many different events. Some have said that Nibiru is due to pass through our solar systems elliptical plane in 2012. Nasa says that it is a hoax. Give me your ideas and opinions on this topic !

This is a topic that comes up every so often on these forums.  For a general sense of how it has been addressed in the past type 'Nibiru' or '2012' into the Search Community window on the right-hand side of the page (right under "My Profile".  That will link you to some threads to read for a start.

Welcome to the forums, Rymal.

Rymal:

 On the topic of the planet X, i want to discuss the theory of planet X coming into our solar system and causing many different events. Some have said that Nibiru is due to pass through our solar systems elliptical plane in 2012. Nasa says that it is a hoax. Give me your ideas and opinions on this topic !

Welcome to the discussion group, Rymal.

What is the evidence for Planet X?  Upon what basis does anyone claim it will enter our solar system?  What are the events that will supposedly occur, and what is the method for predicting them?  Who are the “some” who have been saying these things?  How did they come up with the name Nibiru?  I assume you are referring to the ecliptic (plane of Earth’s orbit).  How was it determined that 2012 is supposed to be the year that a hypothetical planet will pass through it?  Until you have presented strong evidence tied into a coherent theory, there is really not much for us to discuss.

The evidence is already infront of you...The Mayan calendar predicted events thousands of years in advance, like solar eclipses and such...And their calendar ends on Dec21 2012. Even the Sumerians depicted the solar system into their drawings and had an extra planet in the solar system

 Watch the videos on youtube and you'll see how it all ties together

Here is one of dozens of videos on youtube

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O96ZMPXuv1A

 One must believe it if it is on youtube. The evidence is therefore irrefutable!

Lone gazer:

The Mayan calendar predicted events thousands of years in advance, like solar eclipses and such

It is perfectly possible to predict eclipses and the appearence of known planets because they obey physical and mathmatical principles which in turn have been recorded and tested by observation.

No one can 'predict' the appearence of a planet which has not been observed regularly, or had its gravitational effects analysed.

Predictions based on an interpretation of ancient texts, which itself has no basis to be interpreted that way other than the wishful thinking of the interpreter has no place in a scientific discussion.  (Let alone in a forum about observing )

Can I suggest that this thread be moved to the off-topic forum, or at least a general forum.

Amazing, isn't it, the suddent explosion of 1-post newbies supporting Planet X. What is this? Some sort of new conspiracy invasion?

Rymal/Lone gazer, you may want to check out your old thread here: http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums/p/30561/368968.aspx

Oops, apologies, i meant Nibiru2012's old thread.

It can easily be proven that a brown dwarf entering the solar system will cause the orbital paths of existing planets to become more eccentric. Multiple passes of this brown dwarf over a span of time will cause easily observable changes. The low eccentricites of most planets show no such brown dwarf exists.

Lone gazer:

The evidence is already infront of you...The Mayan calendar predicted events thousands of years in advance, like solar eclipses and such...And their calendar ends on Dec21 2012. Even the Sumerians depicted the solar system into their drawings and had an extra planet in the solar system

Welcome to the discussion group, Lone gazer. 

Why should the Mayan calendar be considered a credible source for making predictions about new planets or earthly events? 

The ancient Sumerians attached great astrological significance to Venus and her 8-year cycle.   The position of the stars behind the humans in the relief to which you are referring is very much as a Venus-Pleiades conjunction would appear above the western horizon during the evening.  Sumerian astrologers considered such a conjunction to be of great importance regarding the fate of their kings.  It would not surprise me if Venus and the Pleiades are being depicted in the Sumerian artifact.  It reminds me of the Subaru logo, which is a stylized representation of Venus moving through the Pleiades. Subaru is the Japanese name for the Pleiades.

Adhere to the principle of Ockham's Razor which advises that the best explanation for any phenomenon is usually the simplest.  It's the central tenet of the scientific method.  Deducing that the ancient Sumerians were drawing in their sky a picture of a ten-planet solar system as seen from far above the ecliptic plane is a ridiculously farfetched analysis designed to fit someone’s silly agenda.  It's amazing how some hucksters will cherry pick nonsensical evidence to foist goofy theories on gullible members of the public.

Below are the Subaru logo and the Sumerian relief mentioned above:

Ah, Death in 2012.

It always amazes me that the Mayan Calendar is used as verification for the end of the world in 2012.  From an archeological standpoint this is not a sound judgement for two reasons. There may be other calendars that stop short of that date or even go beyond them but we just haven't found them yet. We also do not know why the calendar we have chooses this date to end and there is no evidence that explains it. The calendar on the wall to my left ends January 31, 2009. Does that mean I need to start preparing for the end next Winter? I have several books at home that have astronomical tables extending into the next century. If some future archeologist finds the remains of my home after the Big One will he then conclude that the end of the world will happen in 2200?

My guess is the guy carving the calendar we have ran out of room and energy and decided the impossibly far future date (for him) of 2012 was good enough.

L

I've done some research on the Niburu subject as well, Even purchased the book "the return of planet X" (never did finish it though) . People have been predicting it's return several tmes at least since the 1970's and it never showed..One link even asked the question on why NASA was building a secret telescope at the south pole suposedly to better view it...Why if all the other predicted appearences never happened would we believe that this time is it?..

Like Someone else said where is any proof of this?. And why would anyone want to cover this up?

Interesting gossip at any rate

pete 

Lone gazer:

 Watch the videos on youtube and you'll see how it all ties together

Here is one of dozens of videos on youtube

Oh my!  Centaur, I would never have bothered to check out that link on u-tube without your comments.  I have a meeting in ten minutes so I will have to get back to this amazing video later today.  I couldn't help breaking up over the Star Wars type crawl and then the assertion we need to beware when our Sun enters the "galactic plain" caused me to lose it entirely. LOL

It is truly priceless,

Thanks,

L 

 Thank you everyone for giving all your information and thoughts to me. This planet X conspiracy has always interested me.

Centaur, you managed to survive all 9+ minutes of the YouTube video?! I only made it through 3:30 before I gave up and started skipping around.  I did like the Star Wars crawler -- nice touch!  And the giant skeletons are a real hoot!  I did like the flying saucer floating around the trees early on -- kinda cool in a cheesy, kitschy way.

After watching the rest of that u-tube video I am just flabbergasted that any adult, and most kids, could take this seriously. There are so many grammatical errors, insipid dialog, and cheesy effects that I can conclude that most of this has to be an elaborate Halloween joke. I am sorry Rymal, this is not directed at you and i hope that after reading this and other threads dealing with planet x and TEOTWAWKI that

I just tried to delete the previous post but it remains for some reason. I apologize for hitting the post button on accident.

Back to my thoughts on Planet X and TEOTWAWKI. Those u-tube videos are suitable only as a rather crude Halloween prank to scare the unwary. The grammatical errors, comical effects, and just terrible science lead me to conclude that this video had to be put together by rank amatuers as a joke.

This is not pointed at you Rymal. You have the good sense to seek out independent viewpoints on this issue rather than accept it at face value. Good for you.

Man seems to have a fascination with the end of the world as we know it. One can look for it in any civilization and find something that has survived in written form from the earliest time. Today we read lots of books and go to see lots of movies that depict our demise or at least our humbling in the face of nature. My earliest movie memory is the disaster flick When Worlds Collide. It is nothing new.

In recent memory we have survived teotwawki that many assured us was to come. Both Y2K and June 6, 2006 come to mind. Most popular now is 2012 and after that date passes by another date will surely be chosen to replace it. It just seems to be in our nature.

My take on all this is quite simple. I live the best I can every day because everything is finite and the end will come someday, if not for the entire world than surely for me. If I may quote Charles Schultz, " Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia."

L

I regret to inform readers of this thread that Leo731's last entry was not completed because he was deemed, through clarity of thought and persuasiveness of word, to be a threat to the inhabitants of Nibiru and abducted.  I myself will no longer attempt to dissuade, contradict, or in any other way scoff at the existance of Planet X. 

LOL. Sorry zachsdad. Your response to my aborted post was much better than my later completion of it! I should have been slower!

L

 I stumbled upon these series of videos the other day:

http://planetxforecast.com/videos/survivng/index.shtml

They all look and sound legit, a CNN reporter narrated it. He thinks 2012 will be survivable and it will be a time of human evolution. But maybe once again im being fooled. Help me out here guys, tell me what you think about the videos.

Another example of someone trying to profit from curious people who are gullible (as opposed to curious people who are not and won't buy into his lunacy).

For example, what is Historical Proof? In his view, if the priests (that's what they were) of ancient societies convinced their people something was true or would happen, then that constitutes "historical proof." Sorry, it doesn't pass logical muster.

He offers Scientific Proof, when there is none. There is not only no Scientific Proof, there is no scientific Evidence. To be sure, many large bodies have been discovered in the outer regions of the Solar System. But these are not massive enough to cause the effects prophesied (for that is what it is, prophecy) for Planet X.

I agree wholeheartedly that 2012 will be survivable. There is no scientific forecast to the contrary.