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The Distant Future of our Solar System
Last post 10-27-2007 08:38 AM by Clubman35. 25 replies.
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  • 08-04-2007 05:46 PM In reply to

    Re: The Distant Future of our Solar System

    Providing we don't destroy ourselves either in the near or distant future, by the time the sun starts to fry our planet, we more than likely will have advanced enough to not be concerned. Our thought processes will have taken over physicality and we will probably be anywhere we wish to be.

  • 08-17-2007 03:58 AM In reply to

    Re: The Distant Future of our Solar System

    We probably terraform and colonize Mars & Venus in the next 1000 years

    1 billion years later -

    Venus & Earth becomes too hot, we may build a sunshade or go to Mars

    2 billion years later -

    Mars becomes too hot, we may build a sunshade or go to Europa

    3 billion years later -

    Andromeda collides with Milky Way, if lucky, we may have an opportunity to colonize another solar system!

    4 billion years later - Europa beomces too hot, go to Titan

    5 billion years later - Titan too hot, go to Triton

    6 billion years later - colonize Eris

    7 billion years later - sun dies, all the 100 billion people all leave solar system, all the robots leave the solar system. They all flee. Maybe only one family can go to the nearest star in the Andro-Milky galaxy

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  • 08-17-2007 09:37 PM In reply to

    • Bert
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    Re: The Distant Future of our Solar System

    Laugh [(-D] LOL at this thread
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  • 08-25-2007 04:52 PM In reply to

    • qraal
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    Re: The Distant Future of our Solar System

    Hi All

    Trying to imagine Life billions of years from now seems kind of futile to me. But if there's any trace of us left then I can imagine they'd be familiar and yet very strange too. So what would billions of years of technological advancement let us do?

    Instead of migrating, moving the Earth, or moving into space permanently - and they're all options that might be taken - I would suggest a more radical option: engineer the Sun.

    A few facts suggest this might be worthwhile.

    First, the Sun will go red giant after using a tiny fraction of its total energy potential. This seems rather wasteful to me.

    Second, magnetic fields can potentially reach all the way down into the Sun's core. Thus we might be able to control the Sun's energy output and its chemical evolution by inducing convection.

    So just how much energy is available? Proton-proton fusion, and associated reactions, convert 0.7% of the mass into energy. If all the Sun's mass converted to energy at current output it would last 14.5 trillion years. As the Sun is currently 74% hydrogen so proton-proton fusion would last 75 billion years using all the hydrogen. If we ignited helium fusion after that we might get another 30 billion years.

    That sounds pretty good, but could we go further?

    Some of the energy involved in the Sun's evolution is from gravitational collapse. About half the Sun's mass will collapse into a white dwarf liberating quite a lot of energy as it does so. A few billion years worth. If the Sun could be collapse further then even more would be liberated. The absolute limit is, of course, when the Schwarzschild radius is reached and we've made a black hole. If we collapsed the Sun into a quark-star just 6 km in radius we might extra a few trillion years of energy out of it.

    Via reverse baryogenesis we might then extract all the mass-energy out of the remaining quark mass, thus getting the full 14.5 trillion years. All up we might extract 20 trillion years out of the Sun. But what happens then?

    Instead of burning it up perhaps we could change power sources. There's a lot of dark matter around and the evidence is good that it self-annihilates with a release of real energy. Perhaps the Sun could be converted into a dark matter reactor? This is believed to happen naturally in white dwarf stars - but the power level is low. We might workout how to funnel dark matter in to improve the output.

    After all the options of this universe are tried perhaps we'll have to look into higher dimensions to extend the Sun's life even longer. We have a long, long time to figure out what to do. 

     

     

  • 10-26-2007 10:09 PM In reply to

    Re: The Distant Future of our Solar System

    A litte perspective is in order here. There has been life on earth almost all of its 4.5 billion year history, about a 3rd of the age of the universe.  For about 500 million years, or about  4% of the age of the universe, there have been muliticellular life forms on earth, and for about a million years there have been humans or human like creatures.

    At some point in the not too distant future it will become morally acceptable and technologically feasible to mess with human DNA, after that all bets are off.  Who knows what humans will want, need, or be like in a million years.

    The Milky Way is about 100k light years across.  If humans ever manage to travel at 10 % of the it would take about a million years to inhabit the entire Milky Way.  At one percent of light speed, still only 10 million years. And when Andromada colides the available real estate doubles.

  • 10-27-2007 08:38 AM In reply to

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