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In all fairness, we should look more closely at the "Mass extinctions and the sun's encounters with spirral arms" 24July 1997.

The differences between GGIT and MESESA (Mass Extinctions Suns Encounters Spiral Arm) is the level of information available due to technological information explosion (of the www). The economic power of old (write a paper for money) has been forced to free information. Thusly, the information availability has lost protectionism. In all regards, Leitch Vasisht is very close to the truth, and if they had decoded the Geologic Interval Interleave, they would have made this GGIT discovery. Thus were the results of information limitations for that time.

The MESESA accentuates Supernova Causation as evidence that galactic arm crossing has high probability for catastrophism events. This more so than bolidal impact occurances, and the z axis galactic plane oscillations. They did use radio astronomy to derive a very good model of the Galactic structure to include the outer radii of the then unssen central bar. The best  closure rate they had at the time indicated a 68KM/s relative velocity. This was based on the 20KM/s pattern speed, but close to the Hershel Solar Apex 20KM/s. This lead to gaussian fits of extinctions and arm intercepts, deriving a 40 thru 140My interval, pushed a bit by uncertainty arguements. (The highly elliptical paths of these variable stars suggest to me a star birth probability caused by the gas/dust flow path and velocity. This supports the conjecture that catastrophism probaility increases to proximity of the arms). I think the main www causual I found the 74My interval is that the www information is not covert, and exacts open interactions between widely different sciences. The USGS geologic divisions are seen by a different expertise, exposing a interval of two offsets, one very consistent and the other 'noise' having the same periodicity albiet non contiguous. And also a phase alignment with Galactic Arm Intercept points. IMHO GGIT answers dicrepancies of the Leitch Vasisht paper.

My confidence is increased by the 26KM/s dust flow rate, the fact that the geologic terminator appear to have common denominators within the Arm, and different  effects between the arm. Absolutes cannot be made, unless and of course the technology becomes available to 1) see the hidden sixth arm, and 2) the inner bar rotation rotation rate is measured to be 1.5 our orbital angular rate.

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From another sight, discussion centered on the 29My plane interception rate, and a perceived period of 62My Genera Cycles. They also see a 140My interval, which is what Leitch and Vasisht, saw. I would suspect that a 140 (2x 74My) would exist as a seemingly insignificant period statistic based on Genera Levels in any instance.

Huller Rohde 

The problem with Genera Levels is they do not coincide with Geologic Divisions. One can have a very large genera count when one species is replacing another. And you can have a very low Genera Level after a boloidal impact(s)(KT) or Global Thermal Event (Permian Extinction). The Gaia effect tends to mask these simplico statistics as it reacts to the environmental pressure(s).

It is interesting to note, that given this proposed Geologic Interval Primer, the end of the Pre-Cambrian followed closely the exit from the Cygnus Arm. Snow Ball Earth saw great change in solar input causing large species evolutionary change. An explosion in growth as Earth became hospitable to life. From that point on, I believe the Gaia effect assumes dominance.

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Canadian Museum

Cambrian Extinction:

The advancement of the theory of glaciation as the predetermining agent for the Cambrian extinctions has been developed by James F.Miller of Southwest Missouri State University.

 

Odivician Extinction:

The Ordovician mass extinction has been theorized by paleontologists to be the result of a single event; the glaciation of the continent Gondwana at the end of the period.

Devonian Extinction:

Evidence supporting the Devonian mass extinction suggests that warm water marine species were the most severely affected in this extinction event. This evidence has lead many paleontologists to attribute the Devonian extinction to an episode of global cooling, similar to the event which is thought to have cause the late Ordovician mass extinction.

Considering this is the early emergence of life force one will expect that the Gaia masking would be less significant. Multi-cell life forms were evolving external insulating appendages. As it appears to be in these three cases.

 

Pennsylvanian:

The early part of the period is mostly warm, but there is a pronounced cooling and glaciation during the second half, triggered by Gondwanaland's southward migration.  Although the equatorial regions remain warm and wet and tropical, the poles are gripped in a massive ice age, one that lasts for many millions of years.  Vast sheets of ice cover Gondwanaland.

Perseus Arm=>Cambrian

Orion Arm => Ordovician

Sagitarius Arm => Devonian

Between Arms=>Late Mississipian, Early Pennsylvanian

Scutum Crux => Late Pennsylvanian

This indicates the Galaxy has a very stable structure for atleast the past 600M (years). And is a precursor for the Mid Arm Permian Exinction, credeance for Permian Global Thermal  runaway causation.

HI Morbas,

I have been following all of your posts, especially on BAUT and here at this forum.

You have my sincere attention to your GGIH theory, I find all of the research you have done so far to be very interesting, Your Paper has taken a life all of its own, I am glad to see that you took my advice and submitted your Ideas to the BAUT Forum, are you happy with the way you were recieved there?

The tremendous amount of work you have put into this has astonished me, your'e intellectual tenacity is without a doubt admirable.

I do see the  possible correlations you have made with extinction events and the data that you have accumulated, But I think it will be a major uphill battle since there are quite a few unkowns as to what was where in our Galaxy as we went about our orbit and the galactic Z oscillation.

I now find myself more convinced of your GGIH theory, it does semm to make perfect sense, but can you trust the accuracy of the data acquired by others that you are using?

Keep it up you have my keen interest!

Dennis ;)

 

Thanks Dennis, 

Bad Astronomy and Universe Theory (BAUT) was very helpful, they spotted the HCl issue which caused removal of this item. But, it improved the theory which is ,I believe, a life of it's own. I posted in the 'Life in Space' catagory because starting this in 'Against the Mainstream' is a negative (from the start) and this is not against the mainstream of published (facts) papers.

but can you trust the accuracy of the data acquired by others that you are using?

Singular sources are an issue, however these sources are published on established web pages, and they appear to not contradict other corraborative evidence. If counter arguements to the sources have been published I do not base on them, but will indicate corraborative support. This, in my opinion, is due diligence.

But I think it will be a major uphill battle since there are quite a few unkowns...

Although this is not paper, it is paper quality...and this is published online because of them. Perhaps ASTRONOMY will give me a page somewhere in an issue, after all the viewership count originates from outside the standard users, good news for them.

Thank you for the link to BAUT...

Mike,

GGIH 2908 2007APR14

I thank the outside readership...

 

 

Based on feedback, I need to address existing (defunct) perceptions. 

1) I hope to research Non Doppler Red Shift, using Soft Compton Effect, an established physical principle (law) known as bremsstrahlung. (This derives to freguency independent red shift). Then correct the distortions we see in the mapping of the hydrogen (H ions and deuterium). Further study of the anomalous red shift in the corona sphere needs study. Papers exist that tend to confirm the Hydrogen density we measure in deep space. This density suggests a solution to the missing matter. One of many papers: Paul Marmet.

2) The spiral arms are a accumulation of dust, which is possible due to Deuterium ibid Hidden Deuterium. Levels of deuterium in the arms are higher than predicted just by BB. It is then likely this is produced in the Core, and channeled to the BAR ends, resulting in Galactic Arms.

When I saw the strong correlation between Arm structure, projected (measured) flow rates and USGS periods, I did not address this issue. But, the present perception drives me to address these issues. Also, the International Geologic Time Scale is now the norm, which I have adopted in the OP.

Expect a re-write in the distant future, however only after posting into this thread.

Mike

Hey Morbas, you might have already seen this link, but if not, check it out:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070423_cosmic_evo.html

Not GGIH, but related ... a quote to clarify:

The rise and fall of species on Earth might be driven in part by the undulating motions of our solar system as it travels through the disk of the Milky Way, scientists say. Two years ago, scientists at the University of California, Berkeley found the marine fossil record shows that biodiversity-the number of different species alive on the planet-increases and decreases on a 62-million-year cycle. At least two of the Earth's great mass extinctions-the Permian extinction 250 million years ago and the Ordovician extinction about 450 million years ago-correspond with peaks of this cycle, which can't be explained by evolutionary theory. Now, a team of researchers at the University of Kansas (KU) have come up with an out-of-this-world explanation. Their idea hinges upon the fact that, appearances aside, stars are not fixed in space. They move around, sometimes rushing headlong through galaxies, or approaching close enough to one another for brief cosmic trysts. In particular, our Sun moves toward and away from the Milky Way's center, and also up and down through the galactic plane. One complete up-and-down cycle takes 64 million years- suspiciously similar to Earth's biodiversity cycle.

The article goes on to talk about a galactic bow shock and the final quote:

"Maybe it's not just the climate and the tectonic events on Earth," Lieberman said. "Maybe we have to start thinking more about the extraterrestrial environment as well."

Anyway just thought you might be interested in a competing but related theory.

GGIH 30120 2007APR23

Dear ASTRONOMY: The GGI-Theory has been subject to review by esteemed members of BAUT. What about a page (or two) in the next issue?

astro_rt03: Thanks for the article. I will reply editing this entry in time. Except for the mean time: Asteroid impact periodicity analysis shows correlation to plane crossing, much more promimently than the Geologic Period terminators. The plane interception is not quite equal to the world wide accepted Geologic Periods, thus with enought drift time, there will be time periods where they are (about) in phase, then periods where they are decidedly not. Also, biodiversity is not exclusive (IMHO) to accepted Geologic terminators...later.

Dear ASTRONOMY: The GGI-Theory has been subject to review by esteemed members of BAUT in the ATM section. What about a page (or two) in the next issue?

The hit rate has increased these last months...

32085 2007-MAY-11

Dear ASTRONOMY: The GGI-Theory has been subject to review by esteemed members of BAUT in the ATM section. What about a page (or two) in the next issue?

The hit rate has been 1,000 these last..uhm...weeks...

As always, thanks for the viewership.

NOTES:

The GAIA Theory is referred to in a loose interpretation. IMHO life forms do effect the environment, mostly by enhancing generation of atmospheric water vapor. A prime example would be the role of forest's green canopy in soil and moisture generation and maintenance. Relative to GGIT, we see over the ages, a general increase in solar input (due to sun main sequence) in correlation with Cambrian and Ordovician extinction's heavy glaciating, and a tapering off of this severity into the Pennsylvanian, as well as the probable thermal runaway gyrations in the Permian closure. One reviewer on BAUT indicated professional embarrassment about the shear supportable number of ways of Permian closure. Well, GGIT hints that this type of terminator is plausible at about mid era of geologic phase of Earth life. On another very popular subject, ETI, the end Cretaceous was a cooling period, the dinosaur were in decline. Was this sufficient enough to guarantee mammalian emergence to dominance without the chance of a boloidal impact? What does this say about the types (if any) of ETI we could encounter. Is there any evidence that reptilian forms use tools?

edited 2007-MAY-21

From T Patterson ‘The Geologic Record and Climate Change' 01JAN2005 we see the 140M variation in Earth Temperature, peaking at end-Mid Cretaceous 100Ma, late Permian 250Ma(+150M), mid Devonian 390Ma(+140M) and mid Cambrian 510Ma (+120M). The peaks correlate with midway between arm to arm intercepts, which are not necessarily Geologic Period Terminators. Solar Radiance peaks have less correlation to Geologic Periods than proposed GGIT Arm Intercepts. Perhaps because life force moderates the environment to a large degree (Gaia Theory). Incident solar radiance pushes for thermal runaway. GGIT shows Arm intercepts correlate with global Glaciating dates, and occasional mid arm to arm terminators (Permian et.al.). Glaciating casual is indicated by Canadian Museum Extinction causality; see home page: http://parallel.park.org/Canada/Museum/extinction/extincmenu.html

The arm interceptions always correlate to Geologic Periods end dates. The effect is also moderated by increase in Solar Radiance due to Solar main sequencing.

MOShaver

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MOShaver

Dear Morbus, Just wanted to let you know that I really admire your interest in scholarship. Lots of us have been checking in on your quest to find a peer group or review by qualified scientists. History of science is one of my avocations. Your work reminds me of the time when scientists published papers and sent them out for review. It is a time honored way of discovering facts that has been lost with the advent of the web. Your search for GGIT and peer review has meant a lot because it gives readers a chance to see what intellectual inquiry is truly about using the web. I would suggest to the editors of Astronomy magazine that there is a story in GGIT, but there is also a story of one person's intellectual search for answers. Frankly, the magazine should be complimented for allowing your studies to go on as many of us watched your ideas mature. My family has been kept up to date on what Morbus is doing now. It helped answer some geological period questions, I mean you made the Cambrian Period relevant to lots of folks. Later I can explain Milky Way Galaxy arms. Thanks so much and keep up the good work. Lowell

Lowell you indicated

Later I can explain Milky Way Galaxy arms.

So, any relationship to the Lowell?

"The Galaxy is not just a shape, it may be geologic cartography. We see a 70My Geologic peaks between Geologic Periods. The article discovers that Galactic arm dynamics correlate exactly with these periods. This unifies many papers on Hydrogen Helium Galactic dust flows, interarm distances, effecting Lifes Evolution." MOShaver

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Morbus, Have you read the latest Discover Magazine? I can't find the date but it arrived here at the house last week, the cover is people at a mosque and it says it's a special report. So much for tying down my source. There is an interview that starts on page 49 and is with a Henrik Svensmark, who is the "49 year old director of the center for Sun-Climate research at the Danish national Space Center in Copenhagen." If you've already seen this excuse me but I haven't time to see your latest posts unfortunatly will check back later. O.K. page 74, Discover, "You discuss you work as part of an emerging field that you call "cosmoclimatology" What is that? Svensmark, "it is the idea that procession in space and what is happening here on Earth are connected. It is this idea that when the Earth is in a certain spiral arm of the Milky Way, you can associate that with a certain geological period. Previously, the idea was of Earth as a sort of isolated system on which processes evolved. Now all of a sudden it seems as if our position in the galaxy is important for what has happened and is happening here on Earth, it is the connection between Earth and space that's exciting and why I have given it this name." "Most of this research has taken place just within the last 10 years and it is truly multi-diciplinary." I was so excited to read this I had to share. Is this a prime example of the collective unconscious or what? Lowell

lowell: Honorable Henrik Svensmark is known for covering one cause, cosmic gamma rays and cloud cover. Understand in my OP, cosmic gamma rays are mentioned as one of many causes. However, organizations such as CERN particle physics lab in Geneva certainly deserves complete attention. I will spend my next lunch break looking for a copy of discovery magazine just to be sure about this one.

So until then...or the next millenary view.

MOShaver

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I particularly picked up on this...

"The people who are doing space-related observations are very happy that there could be a connection from space to Earth..."

July 2007 DISCOVER magazine.

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So.. 

Although GGIT is ATM (Against The Mainstream), IMHO it 'started as a simple idea and seems to be continually extending or expanding' the deeper its base is extended.

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Lowell: I received your email. It does appear that Honorable Henrik Svensmark talked about GGIT subject matter, but I see no direct references, or did I miss something? In any manner, this does appear to be a juncture. I don't want to miss it. 

HI Morbas,

I definitely agree with you and, I find after carefully reviewing your work that in my opinion you are on to something very interesting indeed!

The Correlations you have made have instilled a lot of interest in my understanding of our gelogical past and the GGIT theory.

Have you acquired enough data for a submission, or review in any of the scientific journals?

Dennis ;)

IMHO, I have a bit more to go on this first. I have tried before, perhaps some threshold has been reached? I think though, that ASTRONOMY deserves first cut, eh? Although I have never seen a scientific paper presentation, I suspect that a great deal of background work is also submitted along with the OP. Or is it simply a PhD reference that counts?

Nah, it cannot simply be the truth? Yah, I am ready....

Many honest questions here...

Happy millenary 36,002 views..

Deep Appreciation....

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Lowell: The Honorable Henrik Svensmark cosmic gamma rays and cloud cover studies show a scientific investigation of of a cloud earth temperature incline correlation to Gamma Rays. When SOL moves through an arm, we always get a Geologic Termination, so could a mechanism exist to modulate the Gamma Ray Earth Biosphere interaction. This could be through periodic NS magnetic pole reversal; when this occurs, the magnetosphere considerably weakens, and could be contributory in exasperating Earth bio-thermal regulation. This being a furtherance of an Arm environmental interaction?

 

Morbus, There have been obvious signs that the Earth's magnetosphere is weakening and the magnetic poles shifting; though I haven't seen any articles lately. What intrigued me was the fact that a radical shift in the solar wind strength is one result of loss of magnetosphere possibly creating a means of exterminating life on Earth. The reason given was, the protective shield of the atmosphere would no longer exist with enough strength to support life. But going back to Peter Ward's work and the earlier extinctions, wasn't it assumed rather cavalierly that all extinctions were caused by meteorites ? Now remember I am a social scientist and probably should not be commenting BUT ... There is evidence of an extinction in the Earth's distant past that might indicate astronomical placement could produce conditions ripe for serious problems. Could those conditions as part of a cascade of events 1. be identified 2. be predicted. It has been said that there are too many variables. But the diciplines that have come to be considered in this thread are fascinating. Lowell

The article I have on magnetic field reversal indicates this will only slightly increase Gamma Ray exposure, but will provide us with Aurora Lights through-out the globe. I was exploring the possibility that this could further contribute to cloud cover, as with another reference indicates increased atmospheric opacity in an  Arm dust flow region for different reasons.

I will find this and amend with the link, perhaps this weekend.

Here is a decent expose':

Earth loses its magnetism By Molly Bentley  in San Francisco

http://homepage.mac.com/timbo1/skybluepony/page14/page14.html

and of course:Wikipedia:Geomagnetic reversal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

 

With appreciation, MOShaver

 

Mo, One more question. What evidence could exist, say from the present Mars exploration, that other planets were subjected to GGIT? It follows doesn't it? 2. The Blue Pony article was interesting, I'll keep looking for more information until then remember, variable, variable cascading variable. I think you should write the good Danish Doctor just as if you were putting out a paper for review. You might be surprised if he turns out to be a kindred spirit. Much obliged, Lowell