Inertial/Space cosiderations

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Inertial/Space cosiderations
Posted by dnatech on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:31 PM

Long time since I posted here and a lot has personally happened....but I still have in mind my conjectures. I contend there has been scientific considerations that have been bypassed on inertia. I stated that in addition to what we ascribe as mass possessing inertia, charge and spin (perhaps but most likely) also possess inertia types. In maintaing this established 3d matrix time is a "mediator" in demonstrating a complex 4d matrix. In the broad scope of thermodynamics a charge subset dynamics and a potential subset dynamics must be conceived. These are converse to each other. Spin as we see it is a type of mediator which we interpret as time on the large scale. Time describes boundaries. E=mc^2  is the total energy requirement to direct this  stability of this 3d matrix in a complex 4d space-time composite. From this baseline 3d matrix to achieve a 5d complex this requirement becomes E=(mc)(c +  1) and 6d is E=(mc)(c^2 + c + 1) and so on. Greater and greater energies must be achived to maintain higher dimensional matrix stabilities ( if that is the right word).

Charge inertia on a large scales equates to thermal connectivity.

Mass inertia on a large scale equates to potential connectivity.

Spin inertia on a large scale equates to time connectivity.

in light of thinking further on these I discovered what Planck's constant shows inertial transitions that occur in all these "spaces". This must fully describe dimensional aspects which demonstrate that dimensional maintenance MUST BE OCCURING. Planck's constant in a sense is inertial switching.

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Posted by dnatech on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:46 PM

All determinants of reality concur with a conditional process or conditional processes in inertial state transitions.

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Posted by Primordial on Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:39 PM

Dnatech : Inertia is a position which is an interesting position, I can see you have given it some consideration, as I'm sure many others have done the same. Mr. Higgs may be just the guy whom understands it best at this time, that is not to say he is the only. I try to diagram its characteristics to my own understanding. It's sort of a 3 dimensional position established by energy states. It's not just confined to kinematics. It's reflective of the geodesics of space-time, which has many attributes with which it's interactive. It could be defined as simply the state of interactive balance, but what establishes the justification of this state at the relative position to all observers necessary to maintain this balance is my problem. Just an opinion. Thank you for the post.

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Posted by dnatech on Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:32 PM

Primordial, as far as I know, no one has directly stated that there has been in consideration that there exists more than one type of inertia which is attributed to mass. I am stating, correctly I know, that there are two other types of inertia directly related to charge and spin at the unit level. When one considers these two other types of inertia in play, the whole schism between the quantum world and the macro world is diminished. As I said before, I approached this in what is termed as a semi-classical viewpoint. I am surprised that others have missed this....it all becomes so clear. Now, to other statements:

In dynamic systems to where an Absolute Equilibrium (which from our viewpoint may never occur, but perhaps...) the direct contribution in maintaining our 3d conformity or stability will be such that either thermal connectivity will contribute exactly 2/3 and the potential connectivity contribution will be exactlly 1/3; or the thermal connectivity will contribute exactly 1/3 and the potential connectivity will contribute 2/3 exactly. The time connectivity will either be exactly 1 or 0. On the unit scale (quantum) we see this as charge, mass, and spin.

In a dynamic system to where equilibrium does not exist, at least at the unit level or the quantum level, the spin quantity must exactly equal 1/2. Spin on the large scale is the time "mediator". As I stated before, on the large scale this spin quality is seen as time connectivity. In condtions of absolute equilibrium we may see time connectivity values of 0 and/or 1. However, the three inertial state of time as seen from the stable 3d matrix appears continuous in the range 0 < t < 1. Probability. There is more on this.

These inertial states act in tandem however thermal connectivity and potential connectivity act directly converse to each other, that is when there is a self-contained system where they both occur. In a system where one or the other is absent, time connectivity can "fill in" for one or the other. 3d dimensional conformity is such that charge can determine 1 dimension and mass must determine 2; or  charge can determine 2 dimensions and mass must determine 1 dimension. The spin is the mediator and its action can establish a complex 4d system which at the large scale we see as time. This 4d complex gives the Appearance of time as a dimension. The actual energy total cost, contrary to what I posted before is E = mc(c+1), or mc^2 + mc to wit one or the other stays Apparent (this may be hard to determine, or it may be easy to determine...lol).

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 5:06 PM

A photon represents or demonstrates a spin or time end-state of an inertial process or cascade that MUST initiate a process or cascade such that the tandem charge or thermal connectivity AND mass or potential connectivity combine to equal zero.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 5:16 PM

I'm not exactly sure but it may be as such that spin or time connectivity are also affected and that is why we see gravity....there is therefore some type of correlation between electromagnetism and gravity that may be NON APPARENT.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 5:18 PM

Gravity may describe time in a 4d complex.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 5:34 PM

What we have seen as the weak force and strong force may be our conceptual inability to separate thermal and potential connectivities. Dimensional 3d modulation or conformity dynamics should be separated into thermal connectivity dynamics and potential connectivity dynamics and time connectivity to get a clearer picture of what is actually happening.

Take a good look at logistic mapping to understand inertia. Attractor aspects due to a type of inertial cascades in the broad set.....Mandelbrod sets, logistic mapping even with chaos may be tools to use in understanding or more fully seeing inertia in operation.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 5:49 PM

Gravity is a time unit of potential connectivity and a photon is the time unit of thermal connectivity and they will correlate.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 6:17 PM

A time unit of gravity will have either a 1/3 discrete, non-apparent displacement of charge and a 2/3 non-apparent infinite displacement of thermal connectivity OR an infinite non-apparent 1/3 displacement of thermal connectivity and a 2/3 discrete, non-apparent displacement of charge And it may include a 1/2 to 1/2 aspect also. I am not completely sure on this.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 7:43 PM

What we may see on a large and small scale that is apparent is a balance between Attractors of charge and mass mediated by time through Logistical Mapping. There is established also Inertial Domains that are congruent with each other and may persist in dynamic equilibrium nested, layered, or simply put as congruent. These domains may become self-consistent in our terms.

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Posted by dnatech on Friday, December 13, 2013 7:53 PM

And now to come back, I have to emphasize that when you consider charge and time possessing inertia....concepts that have been bypassed, the door swings wide open in shedding light on our inability to connect the quantum and macro world. 

It concerned me reading about inertia in textbooks and seeing mostly one or two sentences mainly saying that only mass possesses inertia and how we can simply in put mass for inertia....there is more to it than that. Fractals, Attractors occur in "nature" and we were misreading their role as describing inertia.

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Posted by Primordial on Friday, December 13, 2013 11:48 PM

Dnatech : Bear with me, your usage of thermal conectivity appears to represent the change in molecular momentum upon the change in the inertial moment of the electron through the coloumb field as a photon enters or is received by that molecule, is this correct?

This question is to help me better understand where you are going in your subject.

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Posted by Primordial on Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:04 AM

Dnatech : This is in response to this statement.

"I'm not exactly sure but it may be as such that spin or time connectivity are also affected and that is why we see gravity....there is therefore some type of correlation between electromagnetism and gravity that may be NON APPARENT"

With the subject which you purpose and its content to this point, I would accept this statement, for this discussion.

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Posted by Primordial on Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:22 AM

dnatech : Yes gravity is both potentially ( as in, rest mass ) and kineticly ( as in, both thermal momentum and intermedate electromagnetic interactivity; ( including spontaneous emisson, which may be introduced through perturbation), with both dimensional aspects of space-time.

This is in response to this statement,

"Gravity is a time unit of potential connectivity and a photon is the time unit of thermal connectivity and they will correlate."

 

 

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Posted by Primordial on Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:26 AM

dnatech : Gravity does communicate with the 4 dimension relative to the observer.

This is in response to this statement.

"Gravity may describe time in a 4d complex."

 
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Posted by Primordial on Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:46 AM

Dnatech : Yes, charge as you use it, is involved in the establishment of the inertial moment along with mass, due to communication with the opposite charge which in turn communicates with either a rest mass as thermal energy, or through a boson of one of the interactions which terminates ultimately with a rest mass. 

This is in response to this statement,

And now to come back, I have to emphasize that when you consider charge and time possessing inertia....concepts that have been bypassed, the door swings wide open in shedding light on our inability to connect the quantum and macro world. 

"It concerned me reading about inertia in textbooks and seeing mostly one or two sentences mainly saying that only mass possesses inertia and how we can simply in put mass for inertia....there is more to it than that. Fractals, Attractors occur in "nature" and we were misreading their role as describing inertia."

 
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Posted by dnatech on Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:48 PM

I stated previously that I considered there to be 3 types of space: Positive, Negative, and Null. The simplest from our view is Positive.....the realm of the electron (lets leave neutrinos out for now). Look at  what I can describe as an aspect....it has an irreducable mass whose charge can be used at its inertial operator point to generate what we see as electromagnetism. Positive space has the quarks to describe the condition of irreducible charge whose inertial operator uses mass to generate gravity. These inertial operators act as feedback systems in which time or on a quantum scale, spin, mediates these feedback systems. Spin has its own inertial operator in which spin or time feedbacks upon itself to create the non-apparent time dimension in a 4d complex. 

In order to maintain a dynamic system, the electron, to be simpler in explanation, is loaded with extra charge and its mass is made irreducible in its own context. Quarks, on the other hand represent a more difficult view from our own biases to where charge is irreducible and extra mass is added. These non-apparent inertial operators are mediated by spin to where the extra electric charge is maintained on the electron and extra mass is maintained on the quarks. These inertial oprerators in simplest terms are active and potential feedback systems in which they continually generate their respective fields. They may do this discretely also. Inertia is feedback in operation.

 

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Posted by dnatech on Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:35 PM

In a continual dynamic system, there are areas that represent boundaries and optimal points of equilibrium.They are 0, 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, and 1. However, I believe the boundaries of 0 and 1 are realized and they can go from 0 to 1, or 1 to 0 without hitting on the continous spread btwwen them at the quantum level because connectivity can be realized to be non-existant in simpler terms. These represent   beginning and end-states of inertial processes. A photon for example is generated as the endpoint of an inertial process and will or must generate the start of an inertial process.

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Posted by dnatech on Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12 PM

The charge/mass ratio must be maintained on the electron so that the electromagnetic field can be optimally maintained. Time/spin manages this so that its own inertial operator can continue without change. Time/spin also manages the same with the quarks.  Spin is different in that it manages its own spin. Affecting the charge/mass ratios on the electrons and quark combinations leads to dimensional instabilities, so therefore a feedback operation has to exist. Muon electrons and tau electrons demonstrate how far up the ladder how spin/ time can manage this feedback operation of inertia. The Higgs boson represents more something along the line as being a more massive neutron. There is a slight tendency for the charge to increase on the electron and there is a slight tendency to become more neutron-like, or in a non-apparent condtion between a proton and a neutron. Virtual particle generation is one aspect to counter these tendencies. 

 

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Posted by dnatech on Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:53 PM

Primordial....no, this is partly what I am trying to say:

 The overiding Dynamic system is dimensional maintenance or modulation which can be both discrete and continuous. There is a split in this system under this dimensional modulation through the inertial operations of spin, charge, and mass. The inertial operations run inverse or converse to each other, whatever the right word is, such that at one point when charge directs two dimensions, mass directs only one; when charge directs one dimension, mass directs two. Time/spin mediates this both by unit (discretely) or continously for the whole associated mix of charge and mass as one combination or mixture. Spin/ time acts outside of the association group of charge and mass as a mediator to make it appear that charge and mass affect all 3 dimensions equally. This effect appears both dicretely and continuously so that we have a stable 3d matrix. We don't see this 2/3 to 1/3 split because it is masked by the action of time/spin. 

These inertial operators are hidden or non-apparent. Time/spin act on these operators, which are feedback systems that are used to create what we see as fields in charge (electromagnetism) and mass (gravity). From these hidden inertial operator points there exists both fields and established charge/mass unmoving states so that in the easier case of the electron we see charge coinciding with the electromagnetic field. The true charge of the electron is hidden by virtual particles. These virtual particles obscure this inertial operator and as a result to be self-consistent an electromagnetic field is generated. The stability of this inertial operation AND the generated field is what I mean by connectivity. The electron is the simpler case because a bias in our perceptions, but this inertial operator stability and the field of the electron is thermal connectivity. 

There spin inertia has a feedback with only itself so that boundaries are maintained and a non-apparent time dimension is generated. This mediation can also appear so that charge/mass and charge or mass is filled in with respect to each other. General formula is such that discrete inertial state of 1 plus the discrete inertial state of 1 add up to 2. This conditional switching can appear instantaneous.

 

 

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Posted by dnatech on Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:35 PM

The electron is a "particle" that exists with an irreducible mass and a charge overload. There is an extremely small tendency on its part to increase mass and an extremely large tendency to discharge its own charge. The proton, contrary to what I previously stated, has an extremely small tendency to LOSE mass and an extremely large tendency to accumulate charge. The Weak and Strong Forces are misread because they are actually a working dynamic process to generate charge to mass separation AND connectivity....good chance.

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Posted by dnatech on Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:01 PM

The quantum world demonstrates a baseline inertial domain which has a "space" separation of 2hc. The "energy" associated with this is c(hc + 1). hc^2 + c.....where momentum and time as a boundary condition are carried over....you see in a self-consistent and dynamic universe the boundary states must equal 2. I believe in a dynamic and self-consistent universe the boundary condition states of h and c each have a state of 1 in the normally associated space....but there are cases where the boundary states are perhaps different. A "well-tuned" universe has the boundary state addition and the quantum inertial state additions both equal to 2.

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Posted by dnatech on Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:10 PM

The charge inertial operator generates an inertial cascade seen as Attractors from the bottom up where the mass inertial operator generates an inertial cascade of Attractors from the top down. Chaos can not be completely eliminated in a dynamic system like this even with spin/time mediation. 

Fusion happens to maintain a dynamic equilibrium to create a continued charge mass separation in a broad sense.

there are other tidbits to put out there if you wish....

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Posted by dnatech on Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:18 PM

Also look at this within this dynamic system of quanta....you can have .30h + .70c with the grouped charge/mass association to where the boundary state equates to 1 and the time boundary state equals 1.  And when h = c in a broader sense that is also .30h + .70h with time equal 1c or 1h as its boundary state.....there are a multitude of different ways of looking at this when you consider the universe having a quantum dynamic inertials states and universal boundary states. The complexities you can build off of this is staggering.

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Posted by dnatech on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:52 PM

The quantum world is a baseline domain at which the conservation of momentum and boundary conditions are sustained and maintained at all cost. It can also be carried over into whatever projected time within and without through a process of carrying over boundary staes and conserving momentum at the same time.

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Posted by dnatech on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:24 PM

Inertial domains can be built upon or be made congruent to each other at space units in multiples of 2hc. 

F = FACTOR

F = (F)(Inertia to mass + Inertia due to charge) = 2hc

F is a factor that describes how the charge/mass set is affected by both temperature and density with respect to time. Think more along the lines of a blackbody for the temperatue affect and space area filled by mass and charge for density. Consistent inertial domains must have at a state in time of a combined boundary state value of 2 that has been carried over when h = c  = 1 at the universe origin and thusly at any point of space now which is the origin when you think about it.

Using this you can see where a photon emission also equates to gravity. In aspects of the inertial boundary state built up to the value of 2, the inertial domain can vary the value of h say it any value due to absorbed energy at that domain point to a photon emission say which sustains its value of boundary state equal to 2 and preserving the conservation of momentum to where one photon represents emf and one photon represents gravity. 

 

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Posted by dnatech on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:39 PM

Please bear with me in the spreading of this idea/conjecture/insight to where I can be contradictary because its hard to carry this over when I am trying to generate this but I hope to generate another domain of consideration to be built up on another to get somewhere. I hope I made the quantum world more transparent. You can think along the lines also to where the wave states have meaning in the broader context in showing how the conservation of momentum has to be preserved and connectivity is in place throughout this entire universe which is an entire inertial domain itself....the complentary aspect is not inconsistent in the idea of charge/mass, charge/potential connectivity, mass/thermal connectivity, and thermal connectivity/potential connectivity.

 

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Posted by dnatech on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:59 PM

Within the context of describing boundary states and conditions equal to 2, they are maintained such that both c and h can vary with each other because a single charge can reflect the entire potential connectivity associated with it at a particular point in time in a certain overiding inertial domain. Both c and h can vary with each other within boundary states. It is a non-apparent aspect but you can see how it is valid....the momentums decribe each other so that if one hc momentum value is .2 then the other momentum value is 1.8.  Its like when a photon of light is generated a non-apparent photon of gravity is generated.

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Posted by dnatech on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:20 PM

The inertial operator of charge is its irreducible mass and the inertial operator of mass is its irreducible charge in respects to the dynamic quantum system where the electrons are overloaded with charge and the nucleons are overloaded with mass. Both of their true states of charge and mass are masked....in the case of electrons by virtual mass and in the case of nucleons by virtual charge. The virtual operator of time is space itself and it is masked by spin effects. It can also create its own feedback and come back to its initial condition. In a dynamic quantum world there is a system in place that can generate constant feedback within itself.

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