Center of the Universe?

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Center of the Universe?
Posted by brooksquest on Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:41 PM
QuestionDoes anyone out there have any idea where the general location of the Big Bang is believed to have occurred?
Does anyone out there know which direction the galaxies around us are moving?
Does anyone out there believe that the Universe is infinite and that the Big Bang never happened?
Does anyone know how to contact Eric Lerner?
Please reply to discuss any of these.
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Posted by stars4life on Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:55 PM
The BB occurred everywhere in the current universe's matter, only a long-long time ago. There was no space as we know it, and even the stuff that matter is made of was strange at first, each piece of matter here today, was at the center of the BB. Only in a different form. Ergo, you, I, and every bird in the sky, were there.

The Universe may indeed be infinite in that it may have no end. However, I read a break down of the time line for the evolution of the Universe; beginning to end, and I was disappointed. In that theory, the final moment that could be called existence was tied to the last piece of sub quark energy that suddenly stops it's spinning and dissipates like the whirlpool from an ancient oar in the ocean of time... and then, nothing, nothing to mark time by or point to as having existence. What a dull ending.

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Posted by Altair4 on Friday, September 24, 2004 11:12 AM
"If you're looking for a bright center of the Universe, you are on the planet it's farthest from."
----- Luke Skywalker to C3PO, Star Wars, Episode IV

With either theory, BB or Steady State there would not be a "center" at all.

-----BBT claims spacial expansion in all directions, therefore no center exists

-----SST claims the universe is unbounded and infinite, therefore no center exists

As for galaxies moving, our Milky Way as part of the local group and Virgo super cluster are being pulled at about 600 to 1000 miles per second toward THE GREAT ATTRACTOR, a huge and mysterious gravity well located somewhere in the direction of Centaurus. Of course, our planet and solar system are going along for the ride.

For an interesting article on galactic motion and our relative position, check out this link----

http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/greatatt.htm

Fascinating.

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Posted by brooksquest on Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:29 AM
That is exactly the answer I was looking for. If there is no center then why do astronomers and cosmologists use the time it would take (using Hubble's Law and constant) for all the galaxies to come back together to determine the age of the universe? This is absurd! There are 3 reasons the universe is expanding and none of them have anything to do with the Big Bang. 1) The galaxies are free-falling through space. 2) High Pressure between galaxies is causing them to move away from each other. 3) The most likely cause is that the galaxies are equivalent to stars in the "UNIVERSAL GALAXY" that all the galaxies are revolving around. man is obsessed with beginnings and ends but matter does not acknowledge time. Thermodynamics tell us that nothing is ever created and nothing is ever destroyed. Matter does not care about when HUMANS thought it all started because matter has always been here!
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Posted by DaveMitsky on Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:22 AM

Believe what you will but observation and theory, General Relativity in particular, do not support your claims.

http://www.astronomycafe.net/cosm/bang.html 

http://www2.corepower.com:8080/~relfaq/centre.html

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html

"In this sense, the universe is self-contained. It needs neither a center to expand away from nor empty space on the outside (wherever that is) to expand into. When it expands, it does not claim previously unoccupied space from its surroundings. Some newer theories such as string theory do postulate extra dimensions, but as our three-dimensional universe expands, it does not need these extra dimensions to spread into."

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147&pageNumber=2&catID=2  

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Posted by Bullfox on Friday, January 04, 2008 8:45 PM

The interesting thing is that while the Universe does not have any pre-determined center, because of the way it is, you can pretty much pick any  point you want, believe it is the center, and work outward from there without too much contradiction.

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Posted by Primordial on Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:38 AM

BULLFOX ! To me, the center of the universe is in my present in time, because all other observations made by me, in my present, are in my past, and I am the latest thing in the universe.

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Posted by sbbbugsy on Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:50 PM

It is here:

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo=%3D1832 

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Posted by Dusty_Matter on Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:44 PM
This is a very simplified illustration of how they calculate the age of the universe. Let us say that you have a radar gun, and you are clocking the speed at which vehicles are speeding away from you. Your radar gun has good visual accuracy. You just got to an intersection, you start pointing your gun at all of the vehicles that are traveling away from you. You clock one vehicle that is traveling at a rate of 15 mph and it is a 1/2 mile away. At that rate you see that it would have been at your intersection just two minutes ago. You clock another vehicle in another direction, that is going 30 mph, and is 1 mile away. You can see, again that that vehicle would have been at your intersection only two minutes ago. You point your gun at a different vehicle. This one is traveling at 60 mph and is two miles away. Again you see that it would have been at the intersection about two minutes ago. You do this again and again, and you find the same situation regarding all of the vehicles. They all started from that intersection about two minutes ago. Direction is not relevant. Hubble found that there is a ratio at which galaxies are receding away from us. Based on that ratio, they are able to extrapolate that all of the galaxies would have been collected all together in one intersection, about 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't matter where in the universe you are located, because this expansion ratio is equal in all directions. If you project backwards in time, the universe had a beginning. For the most part (except on the small scale where gravity has taken hold) all galaxies are expanding away from each other. This answer is not really comforting to most people. Many claim that this is an answer that scientists wanted. No, it is quite the opposite. Even Einstein wanted a static universe. We want something that has been around forever. We want stability, and we don't want there to be an end, and inherently we believe that if something had a beginning, then it must have an end. That is not necessarily the way it has to be, but that has been our experience so far. So many choose to ignore the facts and make up excuses to believe in a static universe. You mentioned about matter. That it is unchanging. This is incorrect. Have you heard of radioactivity? Matter breaking down into lighter elements that are more stable. How about fusion? The sun combining the lightest elements into heavier and heavier elements. How about (E=MC2) Energy equals Matter? That matter and energy are interchangeable. Matter can be changed into energy and vice versa. And now the BB. That the early universe was one big giant seething mass of energy, and that as it cooled and expanded, matter congealed out of it. Evidence seems to indicate that this is what happened.
“You cannot choose what reality is. It is what it is” ---- Me.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:41 PM

brooksquest
Does anyone out there have any idea where the general location of the Big Bang is believed to have occurred?

The big bang didn't happen at a place. Think of it more as the whole universe cming into existence at the same time.

brooksquest

Does anyone out there know which direction the galaxies around us are moving?

The galaxies are moving away from us in all directions.

brooksquest

Does anyone out there believe that the Universe is infinite and that the Big Bang never happened?

There might be, but there is no evidence to support a infinte universe that I know of.

 The big bang happened, the differnece is how did it happen many people think the universe came from nothing like stephen hawking. Lee simlion (I don't think I spelled that write) thinks that the universe came from a black hole.

While other think the big bang wasn't the start of the universe but stage in a process that make the universe bang then go into a chruch and then into a bang again. Neil Turok and Paul Steinhardt explain this in there book endless universe.

 

I hope that helped.

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Posted by AnttiR on Friday, March 14, 2008 3:40 PM

According to COBE measurements our Earth is moving towards Leo constellation using speed of 400 km per second. The Milky Way is moving towards Crater, the speed is 600 km per second (some older sources talk about Centaurus - Hydra).

http://www.antti-roine.com/download/file.php?id=110&mode=view
 
It is quite a coincidence that the angle between Earth cruising direction and the Great Void in Eridanus constellation is 90 degrees !

http://www.antti-roine.com/download/file.php?id=96&mode=view

The giant void may be the center of our universe. This means that fictional Great Attractor in Centaurus-Leo direction is not needed. Ofcourse this is only a logical guess, but most of the scientific facts have been found by testing logical guesses. See more details from:

http://www.antti-roine.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30
 
Regards, Antti

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Posted by chipdatajeffB on Friday, March 14, 2008 5:38 PM

There is logically no way for us to know where the center might be. Look up observable horizon. We can only see out so far in any direction. If you put ourselves at the center of that sphere, there is no way for us to know the extent of the universe in any other direction.

If you determine that one of the furthest things we can see is moving in one direction, and another thing far way in a different direction is moving another way, there is no way to "connect those dots" because you have no idea what lies beyond the observable horizon.

Are we in a spherical "observable bubble" that is on the "edge" of the universe? Near the center? Halfway to the center? One-tenth the way to the center?

All we can see is what we can see, and that doesn't tell us anything about what lies beyond that horizon.

The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we CAN imagine. --- JBS Haldane

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Posted by sbbbugsy on Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:29 AM

My older brother said that the Big Bang was in the back seat of his old '68 Buick.

I still haven't figured out why the Big Bang would chose a Buick.Tongue
 

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