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Posted by JoelTothemoon on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 6:44 AM

I will be making the following claims, i hope that you, my friends of the internet Find an interest in adding information or critizising information These claims are my memory of what people with beard and glasses have told me on the internet.

1. The entire universe seems to be sitting on more gravity that it could possibly generate with the materia in it, IF the current view on gravity is correkt THIS SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, THEREFOR we add another force, DARK ENERGY.

2. Dark Energy is so strange, the slightest movement of this energy from one place to another would create such an unstable universe that it would disolve or implode, however this has not happened in the past 13.7 billion years 


3. THIS IS WHAT THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE IS THOUGHT TO LOOK LIKE!

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http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/planck/multimedia/pia16876b.html

WHat may seem extraordinary about this picture is that even though it is messured that the universe is expanding in a FASTER and FASTER matter, at the start of this map somehow the rules are NOT applied, WHY is the universe expanding SO SUPER FAST at first and what is putting it into an almost complete stop, IF the universe is accelerting how does this make any sence?


4.  The last i heard about QuantumPhysics, things seemed to come in and out of existance, is there anyone whom knows more about this i would be honored to take part of this knowledge, every inch of it!

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Posted by JoelTothemoon on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:17 PM

If nothing is being added or critizised i shall draw the conclusion that these statements are the actual thing, thnks

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Posted by DaveMitsky on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:06 PM

Please do not post images that you do not personally own here. Instead, include a link to the site where the image originally appeared. Thanks.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/planck/multimedia/pia16876b.html

Dave Mitsky

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Posted by Poppa Chris on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:23 PM

JoelTothemoon

If nothing is being added or critizised i shall draw the conclusion that these statements are the actual thing, thnks

 

Don't jump to such quick conclusions.  You may just be jumping off of an intellectual cliff.  There may be several reasons you don't yet have a response that suits you.

1)  Lack of sufficient time for forum members to check in and read your post.

2)  Lack of interest in the subject matter by the majority thereby limiting the responders to a select few who like to dwell upon cosmology. (you may have gotten a better response by posting in the Cosmology area than in the General Discussion area.)

3)  Poorly presented question or position on the subject.  Not to complain, but the post in question is not written very well and has numerous grammatical errors.  While this may be due to a limited grasp of English by a foreign forum member, and as such is perfectly acceptable, it nevertheless turns people away before they fully read the post.

4)  Statements that begin by refuting generally accepted paradigms without supporting evidence to the contrary may be looked upon as being less worthy of any respectful response and are often ignored as such.  While ths may not be fair to a new point of view, it is always the burden of the proposer to support and defend his point of view.

 

In summary:  Your position has not been vetted at all.  To then arbitrarily state that because no one has swiftly attcked it, it must be true, is folly.  To get a real and serious discussion going on the topic, read your original post carefully and revise it to be clear, concise, and with supporting data (or at least acknowledged theories).  Then I am sure you will get better dialog in return.

As for me, I refrain from the Dark Matter / Dark Energy / String Theory / Acceleration of Expansion of the Universe arguments because I personally don't believe that even professional cosmologists have enough of a grasp on the questions yet themselves for me to read and follow thier work in a way that I can feel comfortable arguing one way or another.  Maybe someday in the near future.  Meanwhile, I certainly won't jump to any rash conclsions over the issues.     

 

(Primordial!  Where are you?  This newbie can certainly benefit from your discussion on this type of cosmological theory.)

---Poppa Chris---

Denham Springs, Louisiana USA

"Second star to the right - Then straight on until morning!" - Peter Pan

Celestron CPC1100GPS (XLT) - 279mm aperature, 2800mm Focal length. (f10) Celestron Ultima LX (70deg AFOV) Eyepieces 32mm thru 5mm, Canon EOS Rebel T2i DSLR, Backyard EOS imaging software, Orion Star Shoot Planetary Imager IV, Celestron Skymaster 15x70 binoculars

 

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Posted by DaveMitsky on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:12 PM

JoelTothemoon,

I'll try to address some of your statements briefly.

1.  I believe that you meant to say dark, i.e. non-luminous, matter, which according to the latest data from the Planck satellite, comprises 26.8% of the universe.  Normal, i.e. baryonic, matter makes up just 4.9%.  Dark energy, a "placeholder" concept to explain the accelerating expansion of the cosmos, accounts for the remainder.

http://astro.berkeley.edu/~mwhite/darkmatter/dm.html

http://bustard.phys.nd.edu/Phys171/lectures/machos.html

http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Planck/Planck_reveals_an_almost_perfect_Universe

 

3. It's thought that by some 5 billion years ago the universe had expanded sufficiently to allow the repulsive force of dark energy to begin to counter the attractive force of gravity.

http://hetdex.org/dark_energy/dark_matter.php

http://www.space.com/3119-history-dark-energy.html

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/2013/05/13/your-biggest-darkest-cosmic-questions-answered-part-2/#.UnFvafmsjTo

 

4. According to quantum mechanics, virtual particles can arise from "nothingness".

http://www.particleadventure.org/virtual.html

http://physics.about.com/od/physicsutoz/g/virtualparticles.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/blog/2012/10/quantum-foam-virtual-particles-and-other-curiosities/

 

Dave Mitsky

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Chance favors the prepared mind.

A man is a small thing, and the night is very large and full of wonders.

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Posted by Primordial on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:26 PM

Poppa Chris : Thank you for the thought, however I believe Mr. Mitsky has assigned enough information gathering search, for several days of thought.

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Posted by JoelTothemoon on Monday, November 04, 2013 1:32 PM

Poppa Chris
Don't jump to such quick conclusions.


My good sir Poppa, in you'r letter i found such a delightful and truly inspiering way of communicating!
before this point in time i have not witnessed anyone make such an attempt to share such an important aspect of communication and therefor i have fallen into the trap of relying on that everyone on the internet are experiencing and understanding exactly what i am trying to say even though i am misusing my actual knowledge of communication.
Thank you my good sir, i shall from hereon never lose faith in my way of communication and it shall be communicated through the depths of the internet!
Even though my vocabulary is not heavily equiped i shall still consider it to be powerful and bark like a puppy even though i know i am small!

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Posted by Poppa Chris on Monday, November 04, 2013 1:46 PM

I applaud you for not losing faith in your communications.  The back and forth discussion of your topic can easily produce some interesting comments.  If you will recognize that I was sincerely trying to assist you in getting your points presented in such a way as to enhance that discussion, and take a couple of my comments to heart, knowing that they are made with good will towards you, then I'm sure the balance of the discussion on your concepts will go forward pleasantly.

Keep looking up!

 

 

---Poppa Chris---

Denham Springs, Louisiana USA

"Second star to the right - Then straight on until morning!" - Peter Pan

Celestron CPC1100GPS (XLT) - 279mm aperature, 2800mm Focal length. (f10) Celestron Ultima LX (70deg AFOV) Eyepieces 32mm thru 5mm, Canon EOS Rebel T2i DSLR, Backyard EOS imaging software, Orion Star Shoot Planetary Imager IV, Celestron Skymaster 15x70 binoculars

 

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Posted by Primordial on Monday, November 04, 2013 5:38 PM

JoelTothemoon : It is good you have returned. I hope Mr. DaveMitsky's links gave you insight, however if not, please voice your questions which you still have. I feel your original questions are somewhat on the edge of discovery in their mechanisms, for which science would like to find perfect answers.

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Posted by Harvey Marshall on Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:23 PM
We are all just beginning to get a few answers to all the questions, heck we haven't even travelled beyond the moon. We haven't figured out how to clear up all the space junk that we have created. We are still pretty much in the dark about dark energy, until we can totally prove 100 percent that dark energy is for sure, it is more of a theory than much else. We may not even be in the only Universe as we know it. Hopefully, we are all still around long enough to crawl out of our cradles and explore the rest of the house that we all live in, namely our solar system.

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